Notes from SPAR public meeting - 10.29

[ChriswUfGator]

What I still dont understand, Chris, you have shown a clear disdain for Springfield in general. Why do you care so much? You dont live here, you dont own here, you dont seem to have any interests here what so ever, and make a point of telling those of us who DO, that we are dumb for doing so.

So what am I missing?

I have never said anyone is dumb for living in Springfield. I saw, and continue to see, its potential and I did put my money where my mouth is. Quit making useless ad hominem attacks, none of that is the point. The point here is SPAR, not Springfield. The two aren't one and the same.

You have made many a snide remark about Springfield in general. This is not ad hominem, this is fact.

WTF does anything you're saying have to do with Louise's e-mails, exactly?

You need to look up the definition of ad hominem...

[Dan B]

How am I attacking you? By interacting with you, albeit somewhat pointedly on a local forum?

Jesus man, stop being such a sensitive soul. If I were calling your employer demanding to know if they supported your stances on things, or sending you shitty little private messages, telling you how dumb you are, then perhaps you can call me out for attacking you.

As an aside, Im not taking exception with you on the demolition issue. I agree, there have been too many, and SPAR needs to reestablish itself as a preservation organization. I even agree that the organization has gotten to focused on the revitalization at the expense of the preservation. That said, painting it as some big conspiracy of kickbacks, and back room deals is far fetched, and sensationalistic. I expect that from your mentor, or someone trying to stir things up, not sure why your doing it though.

[ChriswUfGator]

Chris. You don't know what you're talking about. Plain & simple. And you search, reach, and stretch for anything to latch on to.

As Dan stated, please present....anything...ANYTHING....besides your "hunch" (ha).

You have nothing, you will always have nothing, besides your hunch.

The hunch of someone who doesn't live here, doesn't partcipate in the organization in question, and generally doesn't know what is going on here.

But he does have a hunch!*

(* based on an email with no context or backstory)

Understatement of the year! I love that Louise's e-mails are now just a "hunch". LMFAO

Just out of curiosity, what would you call a smoking gun laying next to a dead body then? A 'suggestion'? A 'hint'? LOL

[Lucasjj]

I know this is not the subject matter of this thread, but some of the people involved are MetroJax in effect - who is on the board.  Is the entire board thinking the same way as most of these posts?

This was brought up over the weekend, but the thread has since been removed. Not that I am part of Metrojacksonville or speak for them, but the forum is a place provided my Metrojacksonville to allow people to communicate. It is not their outlet for presenting things as a whole. The individual postings in the forum are just that, individual postings.

[ChriswUfGator]

How am I attacking you? By interacting with you, albeit somewhat pointedly on a local forum?

Jesus man, stop being such a sensitive soul. If I were calling your employer demanding to know if they supported your stances on things, or sending you shitty little private messages, telling you how dumb you are, then perhaps you can call me out for attacking you.

As an aside, Im not taking exception with you on the demolition issue. I agree, there have been too many, and SPAR needs to reestablish itself as a preservation organization. I even agree that the organization has gotten to focused on the revitalization at the expense of the preservation. That said, painting it as some big conspiracy of kickbacks, and back room deals is far fetched, and sensationalistic. I expect that from your mentor, or someone trying to stir things up, not sure why your doing it though.

The last thing I am is sensitive. You and I just don't get real far because you keep resorting to the same tactic, trying to divert attention away from the issue and onto anything that sounds catchy enough to move the argument to a place you think you have firmer footing.

In this situation, attacking me is a whole lot easier than actually trying to explain WTF the Executive Director of SPAR is doing when she got caught running around behind the scenes making it easy to knock down historic houses, and complaining to COJ about how their preservation policies don't let her knock them down fast enough for her liking.

You can dislike me all you want, but come on...SPAR got caught with its hand in the cookie jar. The only half-a$$ed defense anyone has been able to muster is FSU's claim that the emails are "taken out of context". Yeah, I love that logic. So those Watergate tapes are just 'out of context', and Eliot Spitzer's hooker was just 'out of context'. I mean, I gotta give him credit, he's the only one that even tried. But it still doesn't wash. Some things speak for themselves, and this is one of them.

At the end of the day the reason I'm here, and the reason I care, is that I'm utterly !@#$%&* horrified at those e-mails, and it is obvious (to me, at least) that if someone doesn't either get rid of this organization or its leadership, then before long there's not going to be much left to preserve.

[Johnny]

I think over the past couple of weeks, we've had a good indication that conversations are tough to have on a forum. We have one accusation almost sorted out when the conversation/finger pointing then shift again... Which, regarding Louise's email, has been discussed in like 12 threads now. I don't think the answer to your questions can be answered here regarding the email unless Louise responds and then it probably won't be accepted. I think we all agree we do not have the entire story, regardless of how damning the email sounded or how some of you perceive past instances are answered by that email.

[fsu813]

"I think we all agree we do not have the entire story....."


yes, and some lean towards the worst, most devious, most sensational possible explanation...............while others lean towards a more realistic, common sense explanation.

[nvrenuf]

I think we're going to have to get Ennis in here again. Clean up on aisle 4!