Philips Hwy./US1

Started by British Shoe Company, October 13, 2009, 11:13:40 PM

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British Shoe Company

#30
October 14, 2009, 01:25:38 PM
I love the brainstorming.  Now I know how the Government feels.  What is best?  I am not sure.  We have rail lines parallel to Philips already, and I think they could be used.   I do not want anymore red lights on Philips Hwy.

reednavy

#31
October 14, 2009, 02:32:13 PM
Well, get over it, more redlights are a reality for that road.
Jacksonville: We're not vertically challenged, just horizontally gifted!

BridgeTroll

#32
October 14, 2009, 03:40:42 PM
A light rail system down P.h. would not likely have more traffic lights but would most certainly lessen the traffic on that road...
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

reednavy

#33
October 14, 2009, 03:53:49 PM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on October 14, 2009, 03:40:42 PM
A light rail system down P.h. would not likely have more traffic lights but would most certainly lessen the traffic on that road...
I was refering to the anticipated sprawl spilling over from Nocatee and and nearby Bartram Park. With 9B coming, it is almost a certainty. You'll have at least one light added with the interchange at 9B.
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thelakelander

#34
October 14, 2009, 04:18:45 PM
LRT down Philips would most likely be elevated over major intersections like the lines in Dallas and Charlotte.
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Overstreet

#35
October 14, 2009, 04:38:09 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on October 14, 2009, 04:18:45 PM
LRT down Philips would most likely be elevated over major intersections like the lines in Dallas and Charlotte.

Does the track elevate or the road?   Those trains don't seem to climb hills good with out cogs or cables.

There isn't enough space in the median. They'd have to take more right away from businesses. Especially south of Sunbeam.

By they way there is only one "l" in Philips Hwy. It couldn't afford two. However many of the signs have the two L spelling these days. 

thelakelander

#36
October 14, 2009, 05:15:01 PM
QuoteDoes the track elevate or the road?

In Dallas and Charlotte, the track elevates. However, a significant portion of these lines run on railroad ROW adjacent to highways like Philips.  Anyway, the design typically depends on the environment of a particular situation.  In Jax, if rail went down Philips, it would be hard to image not putting in overpasses at least at University/Bowden, JTB and Baymeadows.  On the surface, it would be much easier to just work with FEC and their ROW.

At-grade in Phoenix


The San Diego Sprinter going over a road


Going over a busy road in Charlotte


An at-grade median crossing in Charlotte


Median running in Charlotte
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mtraininjax

#37
October 14, 2009, 05:16:15 PM
Lake - great pics, what possible max speed would these run down US1, if the rail did not work, do you think?
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thelakelander

#38
October 14, 2009, 05:23:24 PM
^The top speeds are restricted to 55mph in Charlotte.
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British Shoe Company

#39
October 14, 2009, 10:45:33 PM
Quote from: reednavy on October 13, 2009, 11:48:09 PM
Quote from: David on October 13, 2009, 11:45:30 PM
Quote from: reednavy on October 13, 2009, 11:37:47 PM

BSC, I'm not being hostile, it's jsut that you pull some stupid, just plain stupid ideas out of thin air and expect people to go along with them when it is clear that Philips Highway could not be transformed into what you think.


It's just, not jsut.

Damn, oh well.

I'm just a stickler for Philips Highway being spelled correctly.

British Shoe Company

#40
October 14, 2009, 10:49:56 PM Last Edit: October 14, 2009, 10:51:59 PM by British Shoe Company
I can understand.  I will never forget it's Philips!

I have mine too.  The Gator Bowl will always be the Gator Bowl to me, and when others call it other names it bugs me.

Overstreet

#41
October 15, 2009, 08:25:20 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on October 14, 2009, 05:15:01 PM.........................At-grade in Phoenix
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Even if it was surface it would mess up a lot of turn storage lanes down the median and widen the over all right of way. Current median is only about 12 feet. Does a surface light rail stop for traffic lights?  I know trains don't.

Might be interesting to make a left turn  across traffic and train.

Rising over the I-95 over pass at US-1 and I-95 would be interesting. The current I-95 over pass opening underneath is too narrow for both train and traffic.

BridgeTroll

#42
October 15, 2009, 08:31:01 AM
QuoteLRT down Philips would most likely be elevated over major intersections like the lines in Dallas and Charlotte.

Why would this be so?  VTA(?) San Jose Light rail runs at street level through 95% of the system.  Intersections seem to be timed to give right of way to trains.  Overpasses and underpasses would add huge amounts of cost to what could be relatively inexpensive straight line corridor.
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

thelakelander

#43
October 15, 2009, 08:42:31 AM
Those intersections are already a mess, especially the one at Philips, University and Bowden.  Adding another transit element in there that would remove the duel turn lanes on Philips would make it significantly worse.  I agree, the overpasses would add to the cost, but even at-grade it would be significantly more expensive to build LRT or BRT down the median of Philips, compared to commuter rail down the FEC. 
"A man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life." - Muhammad Ali

BridgeTroll

#44
October 15, 2009, 08:54:36 AM
I do not disagree that those intersections are a mess.  Our antiquated traffic light system in this city is definately not conducive to smooth traffic flow.  This intersection in Santa Clara is pretty busy... yet the trains turn both left and right through the intersection as to the cars from both directions.  This is pretty common on this system.

Zoom in and check it out...

http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=37.409283,-121.94476&z=19&t=h&hl=en
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."
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