SPAR Tries to Pass Law to Ban Non Family Members from Living Together.

[strider]

strider,

please elaborate on what "lies" i support.

I'm quite interested.....

Actually, I said Lies and innuendo.  I could go out and check other threads to prove it more, but frankly, i don't have the time.  Please go back and read your posts numbers 21,81,83,94 and 97.  They show your stance on this matter quite well and they also show that you support SPAR Council's actions and what they say fully. Now refer to my post number 89.  In it, I prove a bold faced lie on the part of SPAR Council, one that they put in writing and at the very least, sent to Sean Kelly of the city and Dr. Gaffney.  If you go and read the overlay and research the codes, you will see that I am very much right and they were very much lying.  You support them fully in this? Then you support them lying as well.

Now, back to that overlay, you say you never heard of or used the term "special uses"?  Well, either you have never read the overlay that you claim we are hurting and not following or you have read it and did not tell the truth.  Which is it?

FSU813 illustrates a huge problem.  Many here do not have the time nor inclination to do the research themselves so they must depend on SPAR Council to do it. When SPAR Council uses misinformation about things,  people like FSU813 get suckered in and believe it.  When SPAR Council sends out this information, based on lies and innuendo, of course some are going to latch onto it as gospel and believe it and therefore believe what we do and who we help are bad and bad for the community.  I am simply asking that these same people take a few minutes and find out the real facts; the real truth.  It isn't what SPAR Council tells you.

[sheclown]

fsujax,

Participating (ie, showing up for SPAR, Shadco, SAMBA, meetings) is the best way to let SPAR & other neighborhood organizations know what you are and are not concerned about.

If you don't participate, then don't complain.

Kinda like voting, if you don't bother to vote....don't complain about the outcome.

Tell that to Alex S. and Joe.

[fsu813]

Strider,

ok.

21 - i have no idea how this 2 senetnce-fragment post supports lies & innuendo.

81 - is about the park system

83 - is a linked article about parks

94 - does pertain somewhat, regarding the new thrift store on Main Street. I say i can see both sides of the issue as to supporting it or not supporting it.

97 -  is about parks again.

Your post 89 - refers to the JSO and an exotic yellow sports car

Perhaps our signals are being crossed here?

Also,

agian you mistate. I said i've never used the term 'special uses', however i have "heard of it" and do know the general meaning, but no details.

You try and paint me as some one who is being duped by SPAR? This has nothing to do with twith SPAR. At all. From my opint of view. They do share my point of view on this particular issue though.

I personally have come up with my opinion that rehab/boarding houses in mass are not good for the neighborhood. Call me crazy. I didn't received talking points from SPAR, beleive it or not. I have never been "sent" any information about this issue either, as you state.

Furthermore, I know that other people/organizations are looking into taking advanatge of the same loophole in the intent of the law as you are. I don't blame you for it. If I was making money on a business that was trying to shut down or at least hindered i'd probably take advantage of every loop hole i could find. However, since this deals with neighborhoods, quality of life, & property values (pervieved or real) people are going to care and attempt to take action.

Like I said, I care not about the history b/t you and whoever. I have no idea who did what when how etc. I do know that I'm not going out on a limb to say that, generally, rehab/boarding houses aren't popular with most neighbors or myself for various reasons. An opinion that i've formed, shockingly apparently, by myself.

[strider]

FSU813, the post numbers I was referring to were the post numbers within this thread, not your post number or my post numbers per the profile page.  Go back and try again. (some how, I suspect you knew that....)

Meanwhile:

Except that the request to change the zoning definition of a 'family' isnt a change to the so called 'overlay' that applies to springfield.

It would apply to the entire city, and half of riverside would have to get their asses out of their apartments.

The implications of this current vendetta on the part of SPAR Council can have far greater impact on Jacksonville as a whole than it will ever against us.

[cindi]

the whole thing is just ridiculous.  it will never happen. 

[fsu813]

"The implications of this current vendetta on the part of SPAR Council can have far greater impact on Jacksonville as a whole than it will ever against us." - Strider

Yes, Strider. I know SPAR is tghe downfall of all that is good in Springfield and perhaps the entire city as well.

Stephen,

I cited 3 easy examples of how this is not unique to SPAR. It's a prevelant train of thought in hundreds, if not thousands of cities in the US.

[hooplady]

It's a prevelant train of thought in hundreds, if not thousands of cities in the US.

As our parents used to say:  "If all the other kids jumped off a bridge..."

[cindi]

i prefer the - it's like tube tops, just cause you can, doesn't mean you should thought

[fsu813]

Stephen,

and......

i don't understand why people's reactions are to be startled, shocked, etc.

i mean, if you don't agree with SPAR and the countless numbers of other similar drives to address this issue across the nation, fine. I just don't know why you and others act as if this is unheard of or out of left field, persay.

Clearly it's not. You can add Jacksonville to the list of Chicago, orlando, Tallahassee, etc, etc, etc.

[hooplady]

I'm not startled or shocked.   I just think we have plenty of laws already which aren't enforceable, and I don't think there's a way to legislate a solution to this issue.

Anyhoo, DNA research indicates that we're ALL related by blood, so there is no such thing as unrelated adults.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/12/1212_021213_journeyofman.html

[Sportmotor]

As our parents used to say:  "If all the other kids jumped off a bridge..."

I WOULD!
course I would have a parachute but Id still jump

[fsu813]

which list do you think is longer.....

the one's that were sued and defeated or the ones that weren't?

[fsu813]

(ha). ok.

This can be your next headline:

"Stephen Dare tries to pass law to ban like-minded property owners in Springfield from organizing!"

[Dark Knight]

If this issue actually goes to any kind of legislation , consider the cost of an already financial strapped city budget trying to settle a petty issue like this . Fix a few potholes in Springfield and communicate with your neighbors on a civil level and try to make the hood a unit,this is more like civil war. I am in recovery and my neighbors like and respect me , even the upstanding ones and the sketchy ones, DIVERSITY.

[strider]

To help remove some of the "if":