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2009 Football Draft

Started by BridgeTroll, February 18, 2009, 12:12:32 PM

BridgeTroll

The suspense and speculation regarding this draft has already begun.  We must have one or two draft junkies here.  I found this site to start things off... Please add other sites you know of...

http://www.walterfootball.com/

Found this on the above site...

Round One... pick number eight.

QuoteJacksonville Jaguars: Jason Smith, OT, Baylor 
FEB. 10 UPDATE: The only other two options here are B.J. Raji and Malcolm Jenkins. Close call between the three, but given how teams have reached for offensive tackles recently, Jacksonville will probably go for Jason Smith.

FEB. 3 UPDATE: David Garrard's interception total has soared from three to 13 in just one year. But don't blame him. He was knocked down more than any other quarterback this season. And according to the sacks totals allowed by NFL left tackles, Khalif Barnes was one of the league's worst, surrendering 7.5 sacks.

Jacksonville must take care of its franchise quarterback. The team desperately needs to upgrade Garrard's blind side. Jason Smith, Mike Mayock's No. 1 offensive tackle, makes too much sense at this spot.

Round two...

QuoteJacksonville Jaguars: Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake Forest 
Jacksonville has major issues at corner. The team brought in the overrated Drayton Florence and paid him a ton of money, which had many people scratching their head in confusion. Lo and behold, Florence was cut. The Jaguars really need to do something about their 31st ranking against the pass.

Pick change; previously Darius Butler, CB

Round three...

QuoteJacksonville Jaguars: Louis Murphy, WR, Florida 
More help for David Garrard - this time in the wideout variety. Jacksonville's receiving corps is a running joke. I can't remember the last time the team had a deep threat. Matt "Coke Zero" Jones has emerged as a nice possession receiver, but Jacksonville needs someone to stretch the defense.
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copperfiend


Basstacular

I don't know who this guy is, but I would ecstatic to get the tackle from Baylor in the 1st and then a CB of Alphonso Smith's caliber in the 2nd.  That guy was nothing short of a PlayMaker at Wake and if he is on the board in the 2nd, you take him and you start him opposite of Mathis Game 1. 

Not sure baout Murphey, would like to think there is a more proven or polished WR in the third.

Give me those two picks first, a TRUE SPEED threat in the third.  A project DT with potential in the fourth and bring in some veteran DT's for cheap to fill the gaps next season and and I am happy.

BridgeTroll

Given the holes the Jags have, any thought of trading out of the first round and banking some extra picks?
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copperfiend

The problem is finding a trading partner. If the Jets still need a QB and Sanchez from USC is still there at 8, try to work a deal with them to slide down to 17 and get some extra picks later in the draft. More picks is a good thing for this team.

BridgeTroll

I tend to agree.  The only guarantee when drafting in the top 10 is that you WILL pay a large sum of money for an unknown commodity
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Shwaz

I could definitely see the Jags trading their first round for more picks... Jason Smith would be awfully tempting if still available.

Moreno, Wells and Harvin would be tempting too and Gene Smith has stated he's a BAP guy and not drafting for what's needed immediately. Although we need a little bit of everything right now so almost any position drafted would fit both theories.

O-line - D-line - Receiving corps and secondary are all missing something.
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urbanlibertarian

Ask Vic and the other articles on jaguars.com probably provide the best insight into the organization's approach to the draft.  profootballtalk.com's rumor mill is a good source for the latest and greatest 411.  My guess would be that if a left tackle is the best available player on the Jags draft board when we pick then we'll take him.  If not (and Sanchez or Stafford is still there) we'll trade down for more picks.  If the QB's are gone we'll take whoever is at the top of our board.
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BridgeTroll

Interesting take on the Cutler trade.

http://www.walterfootball.com/jaycutlertrade.php

QuoteThe Jay Cutler Trade - 2009 NFL Draft Impact

Excluding Chicago, perhaps the biggest winners of the Jay Cutler trade were the Jacksonville Jaguars. The Jaguars barely spent any money this offseason, and who could blame them in this economy after epically failing with Drayton Florence and Jerry Porter last spring?

Jacksonville will be looking to trade out of the No. 8 spot. Owner Wayne Weaver doesn't want to pay top dollar to an unproven player, especially after going through the Derrick Harvey fiasco after the 2008 NFL Draft.

With Denver suddenly in need of a quarterback - Kyle Orton is entering his contract year - there is suddenly a market for the No. 8 overall selection; the Broncos will have to move ahead of the 49ers to land Mark Sanchez.

The difference between Picks 8 and 12 is 200 TVC points. The value of the selection No. 79, one of Denver's two third-round choices, is 195 points.

So, for a mere third-round pick, the Broncos can obtain their new franchise quarterback. Meanwhile, the Jaguars can still land Vontae Davis at No. 12, and they would be able to pay him less money. Plus, they'll get a third-rounder out of the swap. Not a bad deal for both teams.
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copperfiend

According to Vic Ketchman, the Jaguars are very interested in Chris Wells from Ohio State. He would make a very good compliment to Jones-Drew but I don't know the Jaguars would have that much money invested in the running back position. I'd like to see them add some secondary help or add a lineman.

Shwaz

QuoteWith Denver suddenly in need of a quarterback - Kyle Orton is entering his contract year - there is suddenly a market for the No. 8 overall selection; the Broncos will have to move ahead of the 49ers to land Mark Sanchez.

SF has the 10th overall pick... there's no way Sanchez makes it that far. I agree with a lot of board's prediciting Sanchez to go in the top 5 or top 3. With the new rules coming in the QB is miles ahead as the most important player on every team.

I think the upside for the Jags is some previously top rated players are going to slide a little farther down towards the 8th pick. OL / DL may now be available and seem to be some of the safest picks.
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BridgeTroll

http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2009.php

QuoteJacksonville Jaguars: Mark Sanchez, QB, USC 
I believe Mark Sanchez will be drafted eighth overall. Does that mean that he'll be a Jaguar going into training camp? No. There are three possibilities here, and I'll discuss each of them:

Broncos Trade Up for Mark Sanchez: Pat Bowlen and Josh McDaniels really screwed up the Jay Cutler fiasco, and they need to save face. Denver needs a franchise quarterback; Kyle Orton, who's in his contract year, is hardly the solution. Drafting Sanchez, whose stock is on fire right now, would really appease an angry fan base.

What would it cost for Denver to move up? The difference between Picks 8 and 12 is just 200 TVC points. The Broncos have a third-round selection worth 195 points. So, Denver would only have to give up one of its two third-rounders to net a franchise quarterback. I think that's a steal.

From Jacksonville's perspective, owner Wayne Weaver hasn't spent any money this offseason. Who can blame him in this economy after botching numerous signings a year ago? The Jaguars don't want to pay top-10 money to anyone - especially after what happened with Derrick Harvey - so they'll be looking to move down. They can acquire a third-round pick and still take the top corner in this class at No. 12.

Redskins Trade Up for Mark Sanchez: Daniel Snyder is a smart businessman, but he's proven that he has absolutely no clue when it comes to football decisions. Though he traded up for Jason Campbell and never provided the Auburn product with a consistent playbook, Snyder now wants Mark Sanchez to be the face of his franchise. Snyder tried to trade Campbell this offseason, and he has the money to pay Sanchez top-10, or even top-five money.

The difference between the Nos. 8 and 13 selections is 250 points. The Redskins have the 80th pick in the 2009 NFL Draft, which is worth 190 points, so they'd have to give up more. Not that doing so means much to Snyder; I suspect he'd be happy enough to relinquish next year's third-rounder as well.

As a football decision this makes no sense; by the time Sanchez is ready to take over as the starter, Chris Samuels, Santana Moss, Clinton Portis, Albert Haynesworth and Andre Carter will be past their primes. But how common is it that Snyder makes an intelligent football decision?

Jaguars Draft Mark Sanchez: Again, from a football perspective, this doesn't make much sense. The Jaguars recently gave David Garrard a new contract. Why would a franchise so strapped for cash want to pay top dollar to two quarterbacks?

Well, Matt McGuire talked about it in one of his recent NFL Draft Blog entries. If Wayne Weaver wants to sell and move the team to Los Angeles, Sanchez would be the perfect commodity to make the deal happen.

I'm confident one of these three scenarios will come to fruition. I believe Sanchez will be taken eighth, though his destination is unclear right now.
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fsu813

No way in hell Smith is available for us. Whoever wrote that was very, very dumb.

We will either (a) trade out of the top 10 (b) pick DT Raji out of Boston College or (c) pick the best WR available (Crabtree & Macklin).

Pretty cut and dry.

After that, who knows it's a total guess. But positions that will be addressed early are going to be DL, OL, WR, & DB.

BridgeTroll

QuoteNo way in hell Smith is available for us.
Smith who?  I dont think the article mentions a Smith.

QuotePretty cut and dry.

Nothing is cut and dry in th NFL draft... :)
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Shwaz

This article is pretty bad. I think everyone besides this writer feels Sanchez will go in the top 5 and most likely at #4 to Seattle.

QuoteJaguars Draft Mark Sanchez: Again, from a football perspective, this doesn't make much sense.


It does if your GM swears by the "Best Available Player" philosophy which Gene Smith does.

It didn't make sense for the Giants to draft a DE year after year in the draft until they put Tom Brady on his back for 60 minutes during their Super Bowl win.

It didn't make sense to draft Ben Roethlisberger when we had the chance because we had just drafted Leftwich the year before... We took Reggie Williams instead and look how that turned out.

I don't believe Sanchez is worth the 8th.. underclassmen QB's almost always are a bust. In fact Roethlisberger is the one exception as far as 3 year (or less) college QB's go... but that's just my opinion.

If Sanchez is gone I don't think we can lure the kind of trade we'd like to... unless Crabtree is available - then you could get some serious offers from teams like the Giants, Browns etc.

My latest wish list if we're stuck at #8

Crabtree
Andre Smith
BJ Rajii
Beanie Wells
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