St. Johns County wants slow growth

[fsu813]

This would seem to benefit Duval. If SJC doesn't want density and multifamily, Duval will take it.

https://jaxtoday.org/2024/11/11/st-johns-county-commission-now-has-majority-who-committed-to-slowing-growth/

[marcuscnelson]

Easy solution here would be throwing out the ridiculous existing TOD rules, eliminating parking mandates as many other cities have done (let the market decide if spaces are in fact needed), and allowing density by-right in the areas with the infrastructure to support it (i.e. everywhere that has lost population since the 1950s or within some distance of a transit station).

SJC will have to figure out how to pay for repairing their infrastructure somehow but Jax can easily avoid the suburban debt trap if it wants to, ideally without losing regional demand to Clay or Nassau.

[Zac T]

I would imagine a more anti-development SJC would result in increased suburban development in Nassau and Clay, especially as the 2nd phase of the Outer Beltway prepares to open in the next couple years. Duval can capitalize on denser development however there will still be a strong demand for suburban options outside of Jax

[jaxlongtimer]

^IMO, the biggest limit to sprawl, if there is actually one, is the time and distance to travel to anything more than the neighborhood strip center. Want to see a pro or college game, go to a pro show or concert, take a flight or train ride, visit a museum or college, attend a large festival, visit a major medical complex and, most importantly, commute to a major job center, you have potentially a long time in your car. 

With growing traffic congestion added to longer distances, travel time will exponentially expand.  Given the undeveloped land remaining in the surrounding counties, their poorly designed road networks and the far greater density of housing in today's subdivisions, the worst consequences of overdevelopment are yet to come for the surrounding counties. At some point, some people will push back on that way of living and start valuing living in an area more central to the region.  Especially with our ongoing failure to support robust and speedy mass transit throughout the region.

St. Johns, Clay, Baker, Nassau... Duval is the county in the center.  A resurgence in appeal will be forthcoming in the years to come.  It's happened nationwide and we are behind the curve but our day will come once the surrounding counties tire of unfettered and poorly planned growth and residents tire of unreasonable travel times.

[Des]

I met with the CBO and Fire Marshal in St Johns County the other day, and they mentioned that their infrastructure is almost tapped out. There is not enough flow at their fire lines to support new construction without a fire pump in certain locations, etc. Fire pumps specifically may kill projects because most developers don't want to wait 20 months for a fire pump to arrive.

[jcjohnpaint]

The way suburbs grow will never be sustainable.

[fsquid]

The way suburbs grow will never be sustainable.

I've been hearing that for 40 years.

[Jagsdrew]

^IMO, the biggest limit to sprawl, if there is actually one, is the time and distance to travel to anything more than the neighborhood strip center. Want to see a pro or college game, go to a pro show or concert, take a flight or train ride, visit a museum or college, attend a large festival, visit a major medical complex and, most importantly, commute to a major job center, you have potentially a long time in your car. 

With growing traffic congestion added to longer distances, travel time will exponentially expand.  Given the undeveloped land remaining in the surrounding counties, their poorly designed road networks and the far greater density of housing in today's subdivisions, the worst consequences of overdevelopment are yet to come for the surrounding counties. At some point, some people will push back on that way of living and start valuing living in an area more central to the region.  Especially with our ongoing failure to support robust and speedy mass transit throughout the region.

St. Johns, Clay, Baker, Nassau... Duval is the county in the center.  A resurgence in appeal will be forthcoming in the years to come.  It's happened nationwide and we are behind the curve but our day will come once the surrounding counties tire of unfettered and poorly planned growth and residents tire of unreasonable travel times.

How many examples are there of this in SJC?
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/30.0730957,-81.5487687/30.0737096,-81.5476907/@30.071234,-81.5415497,3802m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!4m1!3e0?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTExOS4yIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

[Florida Power And Light]

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