COVID Again Rampant in Jax

[BridgeTroll]

Fair enough... sounds like you would welcome a more authoritarian response... hmmm why just the other day... in another thread...

[jaxlongtimer]

Fair enough... sounds like you would welcome a more authoritarian response... hmmm why just the other day... in another thread...

Nothing I put in my response was "authoritarian" other than what DeSantis himself has done.  I call it "authoritarian" when he decides what others can and cannot do.  If you are going to complain about "authoritarian" at least be even handed about it  .

By the way, I do believe there is a place for mandates when it comes to the very essence of the greater society's health and welfare.  Just go back to WW II or the 1970's energy crises or out-of-control inflation to see examples of such "mandates" including some by Republicans.  They are not new and are certainly called for in times of extremes.

[vicupstate]

Fair enough... sounds like you would welcome a more authoritarian response... hmmm why just the other day... in another thread...

By the way, I do believe there is a place for mandates when it comes to the very essence of the greater society's health and welfare.  Just go back to WW II or the 1970's energy crises or out-of-control inflation to see examples of such "mandates" including some by Republicans.  They are not new and are certainly called for in times of extremes.

THANK YOU !!!

During WW2, these items (and I'm sure many others) were rationed, meaning the government decided how much of each item you could buy: Sugar, Flour, Coffee, Gasoline, Kerosene (not used much today but was then), Firewood, tobacco, just to name a few. Also, wages were frozen and so were prices on pretty much everything. Air raids required you to turn off your lights at night if you lived in the affected area.

These measures were all emergency in nature, temporary, and lifted after the need passed. Had they not been done, we might very well be typing on this forum in German right now. It's a damn good thing Facebook and FOX news weren't around at the time. The citizenry did what was necessary to support the war effort and pretty much without complaint.       

[BridgeTroll]

Not against mandates per se... just seems in other threads where actual legislation is passed you accuse desantis of being authoritarian... I guess sometimes "when it suits you ". Authoritarian is ok.

No problemo bro...

[Ken_FSU]

https://www.news4jax.com/news/national/2021/07/31/florida-breaks-record-with-more-than-21000-new-covid-cases/

Good God.

If last week seemed rough, we are entering some uncharted territory here going into next week and the start of the school year.

A 30-year old former coworker of mine died this morning from covid, a week after his Dad passed from it.

[Ken_FSU]

P.S. Tempered with some good news:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/31/us/us-vaccination-rates-rising-southern-states/index.html

[jaxlongtimer]

Not against mandates per se... just seems in other threads where actual legislation is passed you accuse desantis of being authoritarian... I guess sometimes "when it suits you ". Authoritarian is ok.

No problemo bro...

Not sure I used the word authoritarian.  I did compare his efforts to manipulate college classroom teachings and intimidate protestors with efforts by Nazi propagandist and information manipulator Goebbels in one post but that isn't exactly the same as saying he is authoritarian.  Although now that you mention it, I think DeSantis is working hard lately to deserve being called that for the sum total of his recent behavior.

[jaxlongtimer]

Below is today's evidence that DeSantis is in denial.  Ironic that he is now blaming the summer heat when his buddy Trump and friends said last year that summer heat would "kill" the virus and end COVID.  This adds also to the evidence that DeSantis is an information manipulator a la Trump and Goebbels and that he is exhibiting the "bad kind" of authoritarian traits.

The state has become the new national epicenter for the virus, accounting for around a fifth of all new cases in the U.S. as the highly contagious delta variant of the coronavirus continues to spread.

Republican Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has resisted mandatory mask mandates and vaccine requirements, and along with the state Legislature, has limited local officials' ability to impose restrictions meant to stop the spread of COVID-19. DeSantis on Friday barred school districts from requiring students to wear masks when classes resume next month....

....DeSantis has blamed the surge on a seasonal increase — more Floridians are indoors because of the hot weather with air conditioning circulating the virus. About 60% of Floridians 12 and older are vaccinated, ranking it about midway among the states.

https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-health-business-arts-and-entertainment-florida-01fa89e1d9491ab075c5deb689af1ea8

[MusicMan]

Take responsibilty or get out of the way. DeSantis is pathetic.  Like Trump, always an excuse, never accepting the results (or lack) of his leadership.

[jaxlongtimer]

No one ever said the vaccines would prevent breakthrough cases fully, even before the arrival of the much more aggressive Delta variant.  That said, they are proving very effective at minimizing severe cases leading to hospitalizations and death per the CDC numbers below:

Less than 0.004% of people fully vaccinated against Covid-19 experienced a breakthrough case resulting in hospitalization and less than 0.001% died from the disease, according to the latest data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The data highlights what leading health experts across the country have highlighted for months: Covid-19 vaccines are very effective at preventing serious illness and death from Covid-19 and are the country's best shot at slowing the pandemic down and avoiding further suffering.

The CDC reported 6,587 Covid-19 breakthrough cases as of July 26, including 6,239 hospitalizations and 1,263 deaths.

At that time, more than 163 million people in the United States were fully vaccinated against Covid-19.

Most of the breakthrough cases -- about 74% -- occurred among adults 65 or older.

Since May, the CDC has focused on investigating only hospitalized or fatal Covid-19 cases among people who have been fully vaccinated. The agency says the data relies on "passive and voluntary reporting" and are a "snapshot" to "help identify patterns and look for signals among vaccine breakthrough cases."....

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/31/health/fully-vaccinated-people-breakthrough-hospitalization-death/index.html

[Adam White]

Not against mandates per se... just seems in other threads where actual legislation is passed you accuse desantis of being authoritarian... I guess sometimes "when it suits you ". Authoritarian is ok.

No problemo bro...

Not sure I used the word authoritarian.  I did compare his efforts to manipulate college classroom teachings and intimidate protestors with efforts by Nazi propagandist and information manipulator Goebbels in one post but that isn't exactly the same as saying he is authoritarian.  Although now that you mention it, I think DeSantis is working hard lately to deserve being called that for the sum total of his recent behavior.

I am the one who said I didn't understand why people had such a hard-on for authoritarianism. I wasn't referring to BT in particular - my post was actually motivated by a comment from another poster (JaxNole or something like that?) where it seemed he was making every effort to bend over backwards and give DeSantis the benefit of the doubt. It's easy to claim to "not trust government" but making excuses for legislation that is written in such a way that it can easily be abused to silence dissent is pretty decent indicator that you're probably not as "libertarian" as you think you are.

[BridgeTroll]

Take responsibilty or get out of the way. DeSantis is pathetic.  Like Trump, always an excuse, never accepting the results (or lack) of his leadership.

Yeah... if the man had any balls he would have canceled Green Day, closed Disney and other theme parks, closed bars and restaurants etc... lead or get out of the way...lol

[Charles Hunter]

Apparently, when some people drive they either keep it in Park or go 120 MPH, as they appear to have no concept that there are choices in between the extremes.

[BridgeTroll]

Apparently, when some people drive they either keep it in Park or go 120 MPH, as they appear to have no concept that there are choices in between the extremes.

MM seems to be endorsing extremes... I'm simply following his lead.  The interesting thing is some complaining about the governor encroaching upon civil liberties in some circumstances while calling for increased encroachment of others... I  guess we all do it but at least recognize...

[Snaketoz]

DeSantis talks out of both sides of his yap. He is slowly realizing he is on the wrong side of reality and is waffling. He won't govern on the one side, and prohibits local government to do so on the other.  As with Trump, he is positioning himself to shed blame when lockdowns and shutdowns occur.  What is disturbing is that we have a large segment of our population who find this OK.  Science should trump politics.