Food court at the Landing closed...

Started by thelakelander, November 08, 2018, 04:26:16 PM

marcuscnelson

This is somehow hilarious.

C'mon Curry, I thought you were supposed to be smarter than this. This is ludicrous.

For once, I'm pretty happy that I live in SJC and these aren't my taxpayer dollars being wasted. Worst we've got going on down here are some suburbanites upset about a proposed apartment complex. Meanwhile the city is about to blow almost 20 million more on destroying its own downtown.
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thelakelander

So that $18 million could easily become $23 million?! Wow, talk about bad negotiating. Taxpayers would be better off with COJ selling the land underneath the Landing for market value, taking the millions in immediate profit and long term revenue from it being on the tax rolls and investing them in downtown.
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Snufflee

This site in 16 years:

Reply #755 on: Feb 20th 2035 at 04:26:00 PM:


Anyone have any idea when the old Landing is going to be redeveloped into more than a patch of grass surrounded by a couple of 3/4 empty parking lots. 
And so it goes

Kerry

Quote from: Captain Zissou on February 20, 2019, 04:33:12 PM
This makes me want to post a Kerry-esque negative rant.  I thought JEA to Lot J was going to be the boondoggle of the year, but this might take the cake. 

Sleiman paid ~$5M back in the day and ~$100k a year for 15 years.  He is making 150% profit for allowing the Landing to go downhill and the city is footing the bill.

This IS the JEA to Lot J boondoggle - Phase 1B
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Snaketoz

Lenny "Boy Wonder" Curry was thought of by many as an undeserving, Republican party paid-for shill.  Now, he has removed all doubt.  This city is for sale to the highest bidder, with the taxpayers footing any shortcomings.  I knew Tony couldn't lose this case.
"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot."

Kerry

Quote from: Snaketoz on February 20, 2019, 05:36:32 PM
Lenny "Boy Wonder" Curry was thought of by many as an undeserving, Republican party paid-for shill.  Now, he has removed all doubt.  This city is for sale to the highest bidder, with the taxpayers footing any shortcomings.  I knew Tony couldn't lose this case.

Gotta make the Jags profitable somehow - or they might leave.
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itsfantastic1

This is beyond dumb, but I wonder if this ties into Curry's convention center cop-out? Maybe we're about to have an even more expansive RFP???

Who am I kidding. We're just destroying anything that gets in the way of Lot J. Parks and parking lots for all.

Parksonville!

KenFSU

#67
Quote from: thelakelander on February 20, 2019, 04:38:43 PMWhat are the chances that council has a backbone and says no to this ridiculous deal?

What's lower than 0%?

I'm sure they'll acknowledge the high price tag before ultimately chalking it up as a small price to pay to fix a decades-old problem.

Much like they did with the Berkman II incentive package.

Speaking of which, for those keeping track at home, we're now up to six new publicly subsidized Landings - the Jacksonville Landing ($18 million), Dave and Busters on Steroids ($35 million), the Rimrock Devlin mixed-use project ($60 million between Coastline and Courthouse Annex Demolition), the Shipyards ($25 million just to remove the ramps), Lot J ($XXX million), the District ($60 million), plus whatever public ask might come from Morris for their new Landing.

And at least half of those projects contain the city's new signature urban park.



Kerry

It is kind of surreal watching a city implode right before your eyes
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KenFSU

Quote from: Kerry on February 20, 2019, 06:19:12 PM
It is kind of surreal watching a city implode right before your eyes

To be fair, the Landing isn't overly tall.

Traditional demolition should work just fine.

Kerry

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Quote from: KenFSU on February 20, 2019, 06:29:19 PM
Quote from: Kerry on February 20, 2019, 06:19:12 PM
It is kind of surreal watching a city implode right before your eyes

To be fair, the Landing isn't overly tall.

Traditional demolition should work just fine.

I meant in an existential sense.  A city committed to sprawl in a rapidly urbanizing world.
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JaxJersey-licious

Quote from: KenFSU on February 20, 2019, 03:31:17 PM
Who would have thought it.

Thoughts on the wording of the release?



It's like he's daring Anna Brosche to come within 15 points of his mayoral election victory.

KenFSU

Quote from: Kerry on February 20, 2019, 06:31:26 PM
Quote from: KenFSU on February 20, 2019, 06:29:19 PM
Quote from: Kerry on February 20, 2019, 06:19:12 PM
It is kind of surreal watching a city implode right before your eyes

To be fair, the Landing isn't overly tall.

Traditional demolition should work just fine.

I meant in an existential sense.  A city committed to sprawl in a rapidly urbanizing world.

Dumb bell theory bruh, look it up.

Brooklyn is one end of the dumb bell.

The Orange Park mall is the other.

Connected by gondolas and a JEA satellite office built into the USS Adams.

Give it a month, there will be even more Landings springing forth out of the St. Johns River.

JaxAvondale

Quote from: Captain Zissou on February 20, 2019, 04:33:12 PM
This makes me want to post a Kerry-esque negative rant.  I thought JEA to Lot J was going to be the boondoggle of the year, but this might take the cake. 

Sleiman paid ~$5M back in the day and ~$100k a year for 15 years.  He is making 150% profit for allowing the Landing to go downhill and the city is footing the bill.

WOW! An equity firm would be proud of Sleiman's return on this deal.

Bill Hoff

IF there's a bright side to this for the Downtown core, I'd guess COJ would actually put a decent amount of effort into making & keeping the park attractive to visitors.

Also, the few remaining businesses at The Landing will be looking for new locations, possibly filling some vacant spaces Downtown. Ie, hopefully Hooters & Fionn McCools can find a good fit.