Bold City Taproom (Roselle) Closed

Started by Lucasjj, July 06, 2017, 03:12:32 PM

Lucasjj

Per their email newsletter the tap room has been shut down by the fire marshal.

QuoteBold City Tap Room – Rosselle is Closed Until Further Notice

As has been routine for 9 years now, the Fire Marshal came for their annual inspection. Routine inspection, right? Not this time.

The Fire Marshal has determined that our original certificate of use does not allow us to operate our tap room that has been operating as is with zoning approval for 9 years.

Bold City will make every effort to open the tap room back up as soon as possible.

While we are in the process of re-opening, please visit our downtown location located @ 109 East Bay Street. Open everyday @ 11am.

Thank you for understanding,
Brian

Steve

WTF.

Assuming this is "as it seems" on the surface, either this inspector should be held accountable because of this, or the 9 previous inspectors should. They both can't be right if the "offense" is serious enough to shut them down.

(now, I caveat my post with the assumption that the issue that is shutting them down isn't something new over the last year that wouldn't have been a factor in the previous inspections).

Josh

That's pretty amazing considering the fire marshall came down on Vernon years ago when he was using a grill to prepare food, which is why he had to switch to an oven. You think they would have noticed any issues with their certificate of use at that time.

Adam White

It's also possible that the owners are being economical with the truth.
"If you're going to play it out of tune, then play it out of tune properly."

benfranklinbof

Damn...
Didn't they just shut down the "Corks Art Building" as well?
Murray Hill Billy


Adam White

#6
Quote from: Bill Hoff on July 06, 2017, 06:04:55 PM
^ yes

I think it was only part of the building that was closed.
"If you're going to play it out of tune, then play it out of tune properly."

FSBA

Government busy bodies screwing things up for productive members of society. Typical.
I support meaningless jingoistic cliches

Adam White

Quote from: FSBA on July 07, 2017, 07:47:54 AM
Government busy bodies screwing things up for productive members of society. Typical.

Oh please. Fire safety should not be overlooked in the name of profit.
"If you're going to play it out of tune, then play it out of tune properly."

Steve

Quote from: Adam White on July 07, 2017, 08:21:39 AM
Quote from: FSBA on July 07, 2017, 07:47:54 AM
Government busy bodies screwing things up for productive members of society. Typical.

Oh please. Fire safety should not be overlooked in the name of profit.

Yet it was overlooked for the last 9 years, apparently. I could see something like this happening once, maybe twice.

My statement still stands - unless there was a major change related to the taproom (Which as a customer over the last 9 years there isn't anything visible to a customer that's changed), either this guy is wrong, or the rest of the Fire Marshalls that inspected this have an issue.

Reading the various articles, it seems like something that should have been required 9 years ago wasn't requested of Bold City...and now they're coming back. Even the IRS only goes back 7 years.

I'm sure this might make some thing of the awful situation that happened in London with the high rise fire and flammable material. I get that Fire Safety isn't something that should be taken lightly. With that said, this seems like a scenario where the city should have required a fix by a certain time, and not killed the business for weeks. If whatever was missed was so important, then how has it gone unnoticed for nearly a decade.

Adam White

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Quote from: Steve on July 07, 2017, 08:33:36 AM
Quote from: Adam White on July 07, 2017, 08:21:39 AM
Quote from: FSBA on July 07, 2017, 07:47:54 AM
Government busy bodies screwing things up for productive members of society. Typical.

Oh please. Fire safety should not be overlooked in the name of profit.

Yet it was overlooked for the last 9 years, apparently. I could see something like this happening once, maybe twice.

My statement still stands - unless there was a major change related to the taproom (Which as a customer over the last 9 years there isn't anything visible to a customer that's changed), either this guy is wrong, or the rest of the Fire Marshalls that inspected this have an issue.

Reading the various articles, it seems like something that should have been required 9 years ago wasn't requested of Bold City...and now they're coming back. Even the IRS only goes back 7 years.

I'm sure this might make some thing of the awful situation that happened in London with the high rise fire and flammable material. I get that Fire Safety isn't something that should be taken lightly. With that said, this seems like a scenario where the city should have required a fix by a certain time, and not killed the business for weeks. If whatever was missed was so important, then how has it gone unnoticed for nearly a decade.

As far as I know, we don't know why the taproom was closed - other than the fire marshal decided to close it. Whether there was a change that prompted this or whether it was because previous inspectors overlooked issues doesn't change the fact that if there is a fire safety issue, it should be sorted - and it's not an issue of the big, bad government screwing things up for "productive members of society".

Of course, if the fire marshal is making up illegitimate reasons to close the business, then that's a different thing entirely. But we don't know that.

Edit: if this is a longstanding issue that wasn't picked up (and should've been), then the owners should be able to seek redress of some sort from the City (not saying they can, just saying they should be able to). But the City's incompetence doesn't change the fact that fire safety regulations exist for a reason.
"If you're going to play it out of tune, then play it out of tune properly."

funwithteeth

Quote from: Adam White on July 07, 2017, 08:21:39 AM
Quote from: FSBA on July 07, 2017, 07:47:54 AM
Government busy bodies screwing things up for productive members of society. Typical.

Oh please. Fire safety should not be overlooked in the name of profit.
No, no. Per the Libertarian way, restaurants should be allowed to lace their food with asbestos and elementary schools should have the freedom to used lead-based paint on every wall.

FlaBoy

Quote from: funwithteeth on July 07, 2017, 01:12:01 PM
Quote from: Adam White on July 07, 2017, 08:21:39 AM
Quote from: FSBA on July 07, 2017, 07:47:54 AM
Government busy bodies screwing things up for productive members of society. Typical.

Oh please. Fire safety should not be overlooked in the name of profit.
No, no. Per the Libertarian way, restaurants should be allowed to lace their food with asbestos and elementary schools should have the freedom to used lead-based paint on every wall.

Use hyperbole much?

Tacachale

This was not a case of the fire marshal just enforcing basic fire or safety regulations. They were apparently shut down because their original certificate of use didn't specify a tap room and didn't have site plans attached. Apparently their certificate were fine when they opened, and the business had passed inspections every year for 9 years, but the rules changed at some point and they fell out of compliance without knowing it.

The fire marshall is apparently cracking down on facilities in that area; they closed down part of Cork earlier this week. It would have been nice if they could stay open while making plans to fix whatever problems there are, as it'll be tough without that revenue stream.

http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/fire-marshal-closes-bold-city-brewery-taproom-on-rosselle-street

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BridgeTroll

Since the rules changed it seems a 30 or 60 fix it warning could have been issued...
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