Upcoming concerts at Daily's Place

[Adam White]

From TimmyB:
"I asked the question earlier, kinda tongue-in-cheek, but seriously, people really listen to FM radio for their music?  I mean, to me, that's the equivalent of people that have nothing but over-the-air TV at their house.  How many people actually do that? "

Sorry to say but count me as one.  I often spend 2-5 hours a day performing with a full symphony so I actually get an incredible "fix" right there.  And yes I cut the cord to cable about 7 years ago and use OTA. Since I have a Smart TV I also have wi fi and therefore YouTube plus Amazon on my TV.  Considering my daily schedule and the fact I have 2 kids (11 and 14) I cannot justify the monthly cable bill. I think I've saved at least $6800 in cable bills (12 months x 7 years x $80), or at least it was $80 a month when I quit paying.  Most of my friends pay way more than that (in some cases up to $200 monthly).  And I am in front of a TV maybe 1 or 2 hours per day, on average. 

Listen to a lot of CD's in my car and at home.....  I'm definitely behind my brother in law who is introducing me to streaming and Apple's I Tunes...

But, you basically are saying the same thing as I am, you are just doing it in a MUCH more financially responsible way.  You are viewing FAR more than just OTA; you're using your smart tv to pull in content from everywhere.  As for music, options like iHeart Radio, Pandora, etc. have expanded our choices even further than sat rad, but they are much more problematic.  You usually have to go through your phone, which is the biggest downer for me.

I am tempted to do the same with cable (actually, uVerse) but the amount of different movie channels my wife watches make that difficult.  However, the great discounts that I get from being an ATT Unlimited customer for wireless have made it much less painful than it was only a year or so ago.

My kids are 32 and 30, now so I do have a little more disposable income than I did when they were bleeding me dry living at home!      I'm still looking forward to hearing you play but (sadly) it probably won't be until next season.

People listen to the radio in the car, in Jax and most other cities. I don't think that has much to do with the failure of Daily's Place to book acts from the current century. It has everything to do with the management playing it safe and focusing its attention on a particular age group/demographic.

This thread makes me sound more anti-dad rock than I am. I don't mind these shows playing at Daily's Place or anywhere else in NE Florida. They were coming to St. Augustine Amphitheater and other venues long before they came to Daily's. What I mind is this city-owned venue almost exclusively booking acts of this type to the exclusion of anything else.

Given the modest size of Daily's Place, it seems like there shouldn't be any problem booking and selling shows from a variety of artists. I agree that the issue probably lies more with the bookers and less with the potential of the venue.

[Downtown Osprey]

Fucking sad how underutilized this facility is.

I agree.  But they are still ramping up.  Also, outdoor amphitheaters as a general rule don't have shows in the winter.  The artists won't play because the weather is too unpredictable (even in sunny Florida) and its a pain to have to cancel shows, or play in a storm.

I don't buy that logic. Look at the calendar of events in St. Augustine. It's light years ahead of Daily's Place.

[JaxJersey-licious]

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Fucking sad how underutilized this facility is.

After looking at the Daily's Place offerings so far for the early festival concert season my reaction is not so much sad as not surprised. Given the solid bookings they had last year it's safe to say that for it's inaugural year Bold Events laid out a ton of incentives and waived a bunch of fees to get artists here. Given the expense of playing at such a nice new facility a lot of these acts need to be sure they come close to selling out all these premium priced seats to play there. Another thing possibly hurting the amphitheater's desirability is it's lack of lawn seating. Even though those fans are subjected to sitting on wet patchy muddy grass with obstructive sightlines of the stage and subpar sound, the fact that these tickets cost substantially less than your typical arena (or Daily's Place) cheap seats help attract thousands more fans and their families each night to not only enjoy these acts but also the chance to sell them premium priced merchandise, an increasingly important revenue source for these tours.

And I haven't yet mentioned the 500 pound gorilla in the room significantly contributing to Daily's Place woes - The St. Augustine Amphitheater.

The discussion on their effect on Daily's Place I will leave for another post...

[Tacachale]

Here's an experiment, and potential article topic. Over the last year, what acts that have played in venues of this approximate size (say 2-6k) in the Southeast have we missed at Daily's Place? What bands have played at other local venues (including St. Augustine Amphitheater), and which ones have passed the market entirely? Focus on the 21st century, please.

Here are a few I can think of, across genres (and disregarding quality)

Acts that came to other local venues:

Drive By Truckers (April 2017, PVCH)
Nathaniel Rateliff (April 2017
Beach House (May 2017, PVCH)
Travis Scott (May 2017, St. Augustine Amphitheater)
Bastille (May 2017, St. Augustine Amphitheater)
John Legend (May 2017, St. Augustine Amphitheater)
The Head and the Heart (May 2017, Florida Theater)
J. Cole (June 2017, Mavericks)
Future Islands (June 2017, PVCH)
Jason Isbell (July 2017, St. Augustine Amphitheater)
JJ Grey and Mofro (February 28, 2018, St. Augustine Amphitheater) (Yes, they're from the 90s, but they're also *from* Jacksonville.
Fleet Foxes (March 2, 2018 St. Augustine Amphitheater)
Broken Social Scene (April 1, 2018 PVCH)
Dr. Dog (April 15, 2018, PVCH)

Some that skipped the market entirely, but played in similar venues elsewhere in the Southeast:

Arcade Fire (September 2017 in Miami, Tampa and Atlanta; will also be at Okeechobee)
LCD Soundsystem (October 2017 in Atlanta and Miami)
Grizzly Bear (November 2017 in Atlanta)
St. Vincent (February 17, 2018 in Atlanta; also playing in Asheville)
Sylvan Esso (playing at Okeechobee in March; will also stop in Atlanta and New Orleans)
Mat Kearney (various stops in the Southeast in March)

[Tacachale]

ftp://

Fucking sad how underutilized this facility is.

After looking at the Daily's Place offerings so far for the early festival concert season my reaction is not so much sad as not surprised. Given the solid bookings they had last year it's safe to say that for it's inaugural year Bold Events laid out a ton of incentives and waived a bunch of fees to get artists here. Given the expense of playing at such a nice new facility a lot of these acts need to be sure they come close to selling out all these premium priced seats to play there. Another thing possibly hurting the amphitheater's desirability is it's lack of lawn seating. Even though those fans are subjected to sitting on wet patchy muddy grass with obstructive sightlines of the stage and subpar sound, the fact that these tickets cost substantially less than your typical arena (or Daily's Place) cheap seats help attract thousands more fans and their families each night to not only enjoy these acts but also the chance to sell them premium priced merchandise, an increasingly important revenue source for these tours.

And I haven't yet mentioned the 500 pound gorilla in the room significantly contributing to Daily's Place woes - The St. Augustine Amphitheater.

The discussion on their effect on Daily's Place I will leave for another post...

Daily's Place doesn't have any woes. They've sold out dozens of concerts already. They're just "playing the hits" as it were.

As far as St. Augustine goes, Daily's Place should be putting a hurting on St. Augustine Amphitheater, not the other way around. SAA is on Anastasia Island, not even terribly convenient from St. Augustine, and about as far as you can get from the rest of the metro area. And the parking sucks. By contrast, Daily's Place is pretty much perfectly located, easily accessibly from anywhere in the metro. It has plenty of parking and is newer and nicer. And yet SAA Amphitheater books shows Daily's Place hasn't gotten.

[Lostwave]

Of the 7 shows booked for this year, only 2 are "Dad Rock"... 3 if you include Wyclef Jean, which I don't.

[KenFSU]

ftp://

Fucking sad how underutilized this facility is.

After looking at the Daily's Place offerings so far for the early festival concert season my reaction is not so much sad as not surprised. Given the solid bookings they had last year it's safe to say that for it's inaugural year Bold Events laid out a ton of incentives and waived a bunch of fees to get artists here. Given the expense of playing at such a nice new facility a lot of these acts need to be sure they come close to selling out all these premium priced seats to play there. Another thing possibly hurting the amphitheater's desirability is it's lack of lawn seating. Even though those fans are subjected to sitting on wet patchy muddy grass with obstructive sightlines of the stage and subpar sound, the fact that these tickets cost substantially less than your typical arena (or Daily's Place) cheap seats help attract thousands more fans and their families each night to not only enjoy these acts but also the chance to sell them premium priced merchandise, an increasingly important revenue source for these tours.

And I haven't yet mentioned the 500 pound gorilla in the room significantly contributing to Daily's Place woes - The St. Augustine Amphitheater.

The discussion on their effect on Daily's Place I will leave for another post...

Daily's Place doesn't have any woes. They've sold out dozens of concerts already. They're just "playing the hits" as it were.

As far as St. Augustine goes, Daily's Place should be putting a hurting on St. Augustine Amphitheater, not the other way around. SAA is on Anastasia Island, not even terribly convenient from St. Augustine, and about as far as you can get from the rest of the metro area. And the parking sucks. By contrast, Daily's Place is pretty much perfectly located, easily accessibly from anywhere in the metro. It has plenty of parking and is newer and nicer. And yet SAA Amphitheater books shows Daily's Place hasn't gotten.

I wonder how operating costs for Daily's Place compare to St. Augustine Amphitheater?

Daily's Place is a bigger, newer venue, with more security and staffing needs (multiple restaurants, a built-in convenience store, etc.), 1,500 more seats, club-level sections, a massive LED roof to light, no parking revenue, etc. Then, you've got Bold Events, Live Nation, and I assume the City of Jacksonville all taking a cut of the gate.

I wonder if the break-even threshold for Daily's Place is high enough above St. Augustine Amphitheater that anything less than a near sellout at $50+ a ticket isn't financially viable.

I've literally got no idea, but I'd be curious to know what type of gate Daily's Place needs to justify opening the doors and powering the place up.

The year is young, I do hope we see more diversity in 2018.

[MusicMan]

How big is Ponte Vedra CH and does it sell out these bands listed?

[Tacachale]

Of the 7 shows booked for this year, only 2 are "Dad Rock"... 3 if you include Wyclef Jean, which I don't.

03/10 SAT. 8:00 PM
WYCLEF JEAN WTH THE JACKSONVILLE SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA
Sounds like a cool show, but Wyclef's heyday was the last century.

04/20 FRI. 7:30 PM
THOMAS RHETT
Not dad rock, but contemporary pop country ain't exactly breaking new ground for Jacksonville.

05/04 FRI. 7:00 PM
SKILLET AND FOR KING & COUNTRY
90s Christian dad rock.

05/13 SUN. 7:30 PM
STEELY DAN & THE DOOBIE BROTHERS
70s dad rock.

05/16 WED. 7:00 PM
ODESZA: 2018 A MOMENT APART TOUR
Not dad rock.

06/29 FRI. 7:00 PM
TEDESCHI TRUCKS BAND
Local dad rock, high quality.

07/22 SUN. 7:30 PM
CHICAGO AND REO SPEEDWAGON
Daddest rock of them all.

[Downtown Osprey]

^^ that is one sad, sad lineup. Not only that, look at the space between each of these concerts. Essentially a month or more. Sad!

[Tacachale]

How big is Ponte Vedra CH and does it sell out these bands listed?

It seats up to 900 so it's more in the category of Florida Theater than Daily's Place. I know at least Beach House sold out there. They probably wouldn't sell out Daily's Place, if that's what you're asking.

ftp://

Fucking sad how underutilized this facility is.

After looking at the Daily's Place offerings so far for the early festival concert season my reaction is not so much sad as not surprised. Given the solid bookings they had last year it's safe to say that for it's inaugural year Bold Events laid out a ton of incentives and waived a bunch of fees to get artists here. Given the expense of playing at such a nice new facility a lot of these acts need to be sure they come close to selling out all these premium priced seats to play there. Another thing possibly hurting the amphitheater's desirability is it's lack of lawn seating. Even though those fans are subjected to sitting on wet patchy muddy grass with obstructive sightlines of the stage and subpar sound, the fact that these tickets cost substantially less than your typical arena (or Daily's Place) cheap seats help attract thousands more fans and their families each night to not only enjoy these acts but also the chance to sell them premium priced merchandise, an increasingly important revenue source for these tours.

And I haven't yet mentioned the 500 pound gorilla in the room significantly contributing to Daily's Place woes - The St. Augustine Amphitheater.

The discussion on their effect on Daily's Place I will leave for another post...

Daily's Place doesn't have any woes. They've sold out dozens of concerts already. They're just "playing the hits" as it were.

As far as St. Augustine goes, Daily's Place should be putting a hurting on St. Augustine Amphitheater, not the other way around. SAA is on Anastasia Island, not even terribly convenient from St. Augustine, and about as far as you can get from the rest of the metro area. And the parking sucks. By contrast, Daily's Place is pretty much perfectly located, easily accessibly from anywhere in the metro. It has plenty of parking and is newer and nicer. And yet SAA Amphitheater books shows Daily's Place hasn't gotten.

I wonder how operating costs for Daily's Place compare to St. Augustine Amphitheater?

Daily's Place is a bigger, newer venue, with more security and staffing needs (multiple restaurants, a built-in convenience store, etc.), 1,500 more seats, club-level sections, a massive LED roof to light, no parking revenue, etc. Then, you've got Bold Events, Live Nation, and I assume the City of Jacksonville all taking a cut of the gate.

I wonder if the break-even threshold for Daily's Place is high enough above St. Augustine Amphitheater that anything less than a near sellout at $50+ a ticket isn't financially viable.

I've literally got no idea, but I'd be curious to know what type of gate Daily's Place needs to justify opening the doors and powering the place up.

The year is young, I do hope we see more diversity in 2018.

It's possible, that could explain the reliance on sure bets. But there's a greater diversity of acts that would also be sure bets than we've seen so far.

[KenFSU]

^Oh, for sure.

I think larger indie-ish bands like Modest Mouse, or the National, or Death Cab, or Chvrches, or Haim could pack the place.

And if it's successful, expand the indie net.

Anything to break the Dad Rock-Country-Christian-Dad Rock-Country-Christian cycle.

Do love the Wyclef/Symphony concept though.

[CityLife]

Here's an experiment, and potential article topic. Over the last year, what acts that have played in venues of this approximate size (say 2-6k) in the Southeast have we missed at Daily's Place? What bands have played at other local venues (including St. Augustine Amphitheater), and which ones have passed the market entirely? Focus on the 21st century, please.

Here are a few I can think of, across genres (and disregarding quality)

Acts that came to other local venues:

Drive By Truckers (April 2017, PVCH)
Nathaniel Rateliff (April 2017
Beach House (May 2017, PVCH)
Travis Scott (May 2017, St. Augustine Amphitheater)
Bastille (May 2017, St. Augustine Amphitheater)
John Legend (May 2017, St. Augustine Amphitheater)
The Head and the Heart (May 2017, Florida Theater)
J. Cole (June 2017, Mavericks)
Future Islands (June 2017, PVCH)
Jason Isbell (July 2017, St. Augustine Amphitheater)
JJ Grey and Mofro (February 28, 2018, St. Augustine Amphitheater) (Yes, they're from the 90s, but they're also *from* Jacksonville.
Fleet Foxes (March 2, 2018 St. Augustine Amphitheater)
Broken Social Scene (April 1, 2018 PVCH)
Dr. Dog (April 15, 2018, PVCH)

Some that skipped the market entirely, but played in similar venues elsewhere in the Southeast:

Arcade Fire (September 2017 in Miami, Tampa and Atlanta; will also be at Okeechobee)
LCD Soundsystem (October 2017 in Atlanta and Miami)
Grizzly Bear (November 2017 in Atlanta)
St. Vincent (February 17, 2018 in Atlanta; also playing in Asheville)
Sylvan Esso (playing at Okeechobee in March; will also stop in Atlanta and New Orleans)
Mat Kearney (various stops in the Southeast in March)

in 2017 the At. Augustine Amphitheater also got Avett Brothers, Bon Iver, Jack Johnson/Bahamas, STS9, Wolf Parade/Deer Tick, Widespread Panic, Modest Mouse, Paul Simon, Weezer, and Willie Nelson

Ponte Vedra Music Hall has also recently had:

The Zombies, The Might Be Giants, Conor Oberst (Bright Eyes), Toad The Wet Sprocket, Portugal The Man, Kurt Vile, and Foals


This will ruffle some feathers, but St. Johns County is the music capital of Northeast Florida until Daily's Place and the Florida Theater get it together. 

[TimmyB]

From TimmyB:
"I asked the question earlier, kinda tongue-in-cheek, but seriously, people really listen to FM radio for their music?  I mean, to me, that's the equivalent of people that have nothing but over-the-air TV at their house.  How many people actually do that? "

Sorry to say but count me as one.  I often spend 2-5 hours a day performing with a full symphony so I actually get an incredible "fix" right there.  And yes I cut the cord to cable about 7 years ago and use OTA. Since I have a Smart TV I also have wi fi and therefore YouTube plus Amazon on my TV.  Considering my daily schedule and the fact I have 2 kids (11 and 14) I cannot justify the monthly cable bill. I think I've saved at least $6800 in cable bills (12 months x 7 years x $80), or at least it was $80 a month when I quit paying.  Most of my friends pay way more than that (in some cases up to $200 monthly).  And I am in front of a TV maybe 1 or 2 hours per day, on average. 

Listen to a lot of CD's in my car and at home.....  I'm definitely behind my brother in law who is introducing me to streaming and Apple's I Tunes...

But, you basically are saying the same thing as I am, you are just doing it in a MUCH more financially responsible way.  You are viewing FAR more than just OTA; you're using your smart tv to pull in content from everywhere.  As for music, options like iHeart Radio, Pandora, etc. have expanded our choices even further than sat rad, but they are much more problematic.  You usually have to go through your phone, which is the biggest downer for me.

I am tempted to do the same with cable (actually, uVerse) but the amount of different movie channels my wife watches make that difficult.  However, the great discounts that I get from being an ATT Unlimited customer for wireless have made it much less painful than it was only a year or so ago.

My kids are 32 and 30, now so I do have a little more disposable income than I did when they were bleeding me dry living at home!      I'm still looking forward to hearing you play but (sadly) it probably won't be until next season.

People listen to the radio in the car, in Jax and most other cities. I don't think that has much to do with the failure of Daily's Place to book acts from the current century. It has everything to do with the management playing it safe and focusing its attention on a particular age group/demographic.

This thread makes me sound more anti-dad rock than I am. I don't mind these shows playing at Daily's Place or anywhere else in NE Florida. They were coming to St. Augustine Amphitheater and other venues long before they came to Daily's. What I mind is this city-owned venue almost exclusively booking acts of this type to the exclusion of anything else.

Don't get me wrong, T.  I'm on the same page as you.  I just saw Steely Dan and Steve Winwood 18 months ago, the Eagles right before that, Skynyrd before that, etc.  I value ALL good music.  I (like you) want to see the newer bands as well.

As a sidenote, I got incredibly lucky last month.  We are going to England for three weeks in April and I scored two tickets to Bastille at the Royal Albert Hall, simply because there are no paper tickets for this event and someone had to give theirs up.  (They are not allowed to resell them.)  I just happened to be online checking when these two seats came open!!!

[KenFSU]

Sports complex plan includes tall digital sign downtown

A new plan to allow tall, bright ad signage in downtown Jacksonville's sports and entertainment complex is headed to a final City Council decision next week.

City Hall would control messages on the new digital sign, which the city would spend about $535,000 building on a 45-foot pole southwest of Daily's Place amphitheater off Gator Bowl Boulevard.

Council Finance Committee members approved legislation Tuesday allowing the sign, but grumbled after being told that three others envisioned in a 2015 development partnership with Jaguars owner Shad Khan apparently won't be built.

"My guess is our $45 million is gone," said Councilman John Crescimbeni said, a reference to money the city put into construction by Khan's organization of the amphitheater and practice facility.

Marquee-style digital boards had been planned for that project, which was completed last year without the signs. City sports and entertainment officer Dave Herrell told Crescimbeni the Jaguars spent more than the city on the project, which had been budgeted for $90 million, he said, but had some cost overruns.

The 27-by-12-foot sign envisioned in the new legislation — written to change the city's sign laws, not to fund the project — would be about half the size of many billboards. The sign's dimensions and placement still need approval by the city's Downtown Development Review Board.

While not huge by signage standards, it would be a bright presence in the downtown skyline, and Herrell told council members this week the sign would remain turned on around the clock.

The bill allowing the new sign says it can be used only to promote "upcoming uses of or events to be held in" Everbank Field, Daily's Place, Metropolitan Park, the Jacksonville Veterans Memorial Arena or the baseball grounds.

The bill approved Tuesday is different from the version the Mayor's Office filed, and was passed after council members said explanations of the first version were uncomfortably vague.

"The word 'intent' keeps being kicked around," Councilman Danny Becton cautioned, saying he wanted more ironclad language.

The sign can include "a reference to a promoter or sponsor of such events," the latest version of the ordinance (2017-804) says, but it isn't supposed to be used for pure advertising. That means a Ford logo would be allowed if Ford sponsors a monster truck event, city lawyer John Sawyer told the committee, but a sign advertising a big sale on F-150s would not be.

The bill is schedule for a vote by the full council next week.

Steve Patterson: (904) 359-4263

Source: http://www.jacksonville.com/news/20180206/sports-complex-plan-includes-tall-digital-sign-downtown