Developer proposes 13-story Southbank apartment tower

[Steve]

A 2 story single family home is not a 7 story 150 unit apartment building.

You don't say?

Well - we were talking about how a multi-story apartment would hold up over time with wood framing, then someone suggested single family homes do it as if they were equivalent.  Eventually the White House came into the discussion.

Correct - it's a three story building plus a basement that's (originally) made of wood and handles an incredible about of people every day. It's an example that I thought most could relate to.

Plus we've already talked about the 3 and 4 story apartment buildings in Riverside and Springfield that are made of wood and are at or near 100 years old and that didn't seem good enough....

[thelakelander]

If people think this type of construction won't hold up, the majority of cities across the country are screwed then.

https://denverinfill.com/blog/2017/09/modera-river-north-arts-update-3.html

From OKC, San Diego and Denver, to Nashville, Atlanta and Jax, this is how these projects are being built across the US right now.

[Adam White]

The issue I have is that I don't believe they weather well. It's not just multi-story buildings. Look at all the subdivisions that spring up overnight. Within 20 years they look completely beat down and worn out. This sort of construction has a limited lifespan and is essentially treated as being disposable. I have a serious problem with that, regardless of whether it is the industry standard or not.

On the bright side, I guess we're all fucked anyway and our wasteful lifestyles mean that humankind is going to disappear from this planet soon - possibly within the lifespan of those buildings.

And at least the construction is expected to hold up for a few decades. Can't really say the same for the style.

[KenFSU]

On the bright side, I guess we're all fucked anyway and our wasteful lifestyles mean that humankind is going to disappear from this planet soon - possibly within the lifespan of those buildings.

Love that you're a glass half full kind of guy, Adam

[acme54321]

Can't really say the same for the style.

I'll agree to that one.  I'm a lot more concerned about the timelessness (specifiaclly lack thereof) with this style.  These cookie cutter buildings are starting to spring up all over the place.

[Adam White]

Can't really say the same for the style.

I'll agree to that one.  I'm a lot more concerned about the timelessness (specifiaclly lack thereof) with this style.  These cookie cutter buildings are starting to spring up all over the place.

I fear they will look extremely dated in a matter of years. And that will be an excuse to raze them and build something new. Which (wastefulness aside) isn't entirely a bad thing - but given Jacksonville's track record, might end up resulting in some prime waterfront parking spaces.

[Adam White]

On the bright side, I guess we're all fucked anyway and our wasteful lifestyles mean that humankind is going to disappear from this planet soon - possibly within the lifespan of those buildings.

Love that you're a glass half full kind of guy, Adam

[thelakelander]

The cookie cutter, weatherization stuff is more about the cheap, non load bearing exterior materials moreso than the structural components. The four frame apartment complexes in these images (Dallas, Tampa and Orlando) are either older or near 15-20 years in age. They seem to have aged fine with continued maintenance.








I remember this one burning down while under construction in Ybor City in 2000.


Full article: https://www.fireengineering.com/articles/print/volume-153/issue-10/features/ybor-city-fire-tampa-florida.html

[KenFSU]

Update, via the Daily Record:

Southbank apartment development

Ventures Development Group LLC has come to an agreement with DIA staff on project deadline extensions for its plans to build a 185-unit apartment development along Prudential Drive, between the Eight Forty One Building and the Acosta Bridge.

The DIA board will vote on a resolution next week that would give Ventures until Dec. 31 to obtain title to the 2.9-acre property.

It also sets deadlines of March 1 for the company to obtain permits for vertical construction and Sept. 1, 2020, to begin vertical construction.

Ventures' design was approved by the DDRB in October after a lawsuit with an adjacent property owner forced the company to limit the scope of the project.

Ventures will extend the Southbank Riverwalk as a result of the lawsuit settlement and provide 55,000 square feet of open public space along the St. Johns River.

The DIA has extended Ventures a 20-year, $7.88 million Recapture Enhanced Value Grant for the project.

link: https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/downtown-investment-authority-will-take-action-to-validate-ceo-selection

[Kerry]

We will be in a developing killing recession by then.

[edjax]

Just saw article in JBJ that they have received the permits to begin foundation work and the permits for vertical construction are currently in review by the city.

[howfam]

Just saw article in JBJ that they have received the permits to begin foundation work and the permits for vertical construction are currently in review by the city.

Edjax.:

Is the building still 7 stories, reduced from the original 13 stories?

[edjax]

Yes

[Des]

Too bad,

Maybe the new owners for the Aetna building would've let them go back to 13.
https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/sources-southbank-tower-to-be-sold-within-weeks

[bl8jaxnative]

Look at all the subdivisions that spring up overnight. Within 20 years they look completely beat down and worn out. This sort of construction has a limited lifespan and is essentially treated as being disposable.

Using something for a 100 years is hardly "disposable".