Trump-Christians Owe Bill an Apology

Started by TheCat, August 10, 2016, 11:49:44 AM

TheCat



"Character counts." That was evangelicals' rallying cry in their all-out assault against Bill Clinton beginning in 1993. In response to what they perceived as widespread moral decline, some religious groups had become aligned with the Republican Party during the Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush administrations. To them, the allegedly draft-dodging, pot-smoking, honesty-challenged womanizer symbolized everything that was wrong with America.

More than two decades after Clinton's first inauguration, many evangelical leaders of that era have endorsed the draft-dodging, foul-mouthed, honesty-challenged womanizer named Donald Trump for president. Only a handful refuse to follow suit, including Albert Mohler, the president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. During the Clinton years, he regularly argued in mainstream media outlets that the Arkansan was morally unfit to serve as Commander-in-Chief.

"If I were to support, much less endorse, Donald Trump for president," Mohler says, "I would actually have to go back and apologize to former President Bill Clinton."

At least Mohler is consistent, which is more than can be said for some of his peers in leadership. While prominent evangelicals tied Bill Clinton to the public whipping post for nearly a decade to make him pay penance for his character defects, they now celebrate a reality-television star who is at least as flawed. As Mohler said, if these Christian leaders want to endorse Trump, they should apologize to Bill Clinton.

Ever since the sexual revolutions of the 1960s, conservative Christians have been especially focused on sexual immorality. Many believe in staying abstinent until one's wedding day and forbid sex outside of opposite-gender marriage. Clinton's sexual scandals convinced evangelicals that the president would lead America further away from its "Christian roots." When Monica Lewinsky produced her infamous semen-stained dress, Clinton went from morally questionable to a moral disgrace in their eyes.

The televangelist Pat Robertson once called Clinton a "debauched, debased, and defamed" politician who turned the Oval Office into a "playpen for the sexual freedom of the poster child of the 1960s." It's difficult to understand how Robertson could tell Trump recently, "You inspire us all..."

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/evangelical-christians-trump-bill-clinton-apology/495224/


spuwho

Not all Christians had judged Bill Clinton.

In fact after Big Bill's "sins" he called in a bunch of pastors to help and counsel him. The fact he appeared at a Christian Leadership Conference was not trivial and caused a lot of dissent with evangelical leadership.

http://www.christianheadlines.com/news/clinton-addresses-christian-leadership-conference-523468.html

Just by showing up a lot of people said "hey, the guy has an issue and he is getting some counsel for it" and moved on.

Others, less so.

There is an ongoing mystery on why certain evangelicals are clinging to Trump. There were some low level articles saying Trump has become a Christian, which I posted here on MJ. A story that many found dubious.

I have some recent survey results on the "why" certain Christian groups have been endorsing Trump. I will find them and post them.

I agree somewhat with the morality in leadership question raised here. If one should be held to such a standard, what has changed?

Certain conservative elements have ripped Democrats for accepting anyone, immoral or not, as long as they could maintain power, now it seems from a Trump perspective, the same thing could be occuring with the Republicans.

I think some people think that only a Christian can make moral decisions in leadership. But history has shown that hasnt always been the case. And history has clearly shown that being a Christian does not mean you will be a great leader just because you are moral.

finehoe

Quote from: spuwho on August 10, 2016, 12:26:26 PM
And history has clearly shown that being a Christian does not mean you will be a great leader just because you are moral.

History has also shown that being a Christian does not necessarily mean you are moral either.

Gunnar

Quote from: finehoe on August 10, 2016, 03:40:45 PM
Quote from: spuwho on August 10, 2016, 12:26:26 PM
And history has clearly shown that being a Christian does not mean you will be a great leader just because you are moral.

History has also shown that being a Christian does not necessarily mean you are moral either.

It has also shown that claiming to be Christian does not mean that you necessarily are  :)
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avonjax

Quote from: TheCat on August 10, 2016, 11:49:44 AM


"Character counts." That was evangelicals' rallying cry in their all-out assault against Bill Clinton beginning in 1993. In response to what they perceived as widespread moral decline, some religious groups had become aligned with the Republican Party during the Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush administrations. To them, the allegedly draft-dodging, pot-smoking, honesty-challenged womanizer symbolized everything that was wrong with America.

More than two decades after Clinton's first inauguration, many evangelical leaders of that era have endorsed the draft-dodging, foul-mouthed, honesty-challenged womanizer named Donald Trump for president. Only a handful refuse to follow suit, including Albert Mohler, the president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. During the Clinton years, he regularly argued in mainstream media outlets that the Arkansan was morally unfit to serve as Commander-in-Chief.

"If I were to support, much less endorse, Donald Trump for president," Mohler says, "I would actually have to go back and apologize to former President Bill Clinton."

At least Mohler is consistent, which is more than can be said for some of his peers in leadership. While prominent evangelicals tied Bill Clinton to the public whipping post for nearly a decade to make him pay penance for his character defects, they now celebrate a reality-television star who is at least as flawed. As Mohler said, if these Christian leaders want to endorse Trump, they should apologize to Bill Clinton.

Ever since the sexual revolutions of the 1960s, conservative Christians have been especially focused on sexual immorality. Many believe in staying abstinent until one's wedding day and forbid sex outside of opposite-gender marriage. Clinton's sexual scandals convinced evangelicals that the president would lead America further away from its "Christian roots." When Monica Lewinsky produced her infamous semen-stained dress, Clinton went from morally questionable to a moral disgrace in their eyes.

The televangelist Pat Robertson once called Clinton a "debauched, debased, and defamed" politician who turned the Oval Office into a "playpen for the sexual freedom of the poster child of the 1960s." It's difficult to understand how Robertson could tell Trump recently, "You inspire us all..."

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/evangelical-christians-trump-bill-clinton-apology/495224/


I'll help you out. Pat Robertson is a POS!!!!!