San Marco Publix Site Plan and Renderings

[Tacachale]

I'm not sure what there is to argue about here. The original proposal with condos was scuttled in the crash. The current incarnation has the same idea, swapping condos for apartments, but had to start all over. That's not surprising. It's actually more surprising that people have been so devoted to the mixed-use idea for so long.

[vicupstate]

Gosh musicman. I guess ya burnt, huh?

If you knew anything about mixed development, you would know that no one gets them done within ten years of their advertised opening dates.  Which is why they advertise them on signs and through press releases.

That only applies to Jacksonville though.

[JBTripper]

This project has had a number of false starts, most recently in 2013 when they announced a new deal and a ground-breaking date... only for the whole thing to collapse when they couldn't get the financing. Now this time around they have another new developer, and the financing is supposedly squared away, and the groundbreaking was set for "late summer," and then that became "September," but next week it's going to be October.

I drive by there every day, multiple times. I've never seen so much as a survey truck or someone to clean off the sign. I'm not losing any sleep, but I don't think I'm wrong to have doubts.

[acme54321]

This project has had a number of false starts, most recently in 2013 when they announced a new deal and a ground-breaking date... only for the whole thing to collapse when they couldn't get the financing. Now this time around they have another new developer, and the financing is supposedly squared away, and the groundbreaking was set for "late summer," and then that became "September," but next week it's going to be October.

I drive by there every day, multiple times. I've never seen so much as a survey truck or someone to clean off the sign. I'm not losing any sleep, but I don't think I'm wrong to have doubts.

There was a bit of activity out there earlier in the year.  They were drilling samples out there for like a week.

[thelakelander]

This project has had a number of false starts, most recently in 2013 when they announced a new deal and a ground-breaking date... only for the whole thing to collapse when they couldn't get the financing. Now this time around they have another new developer, and the financing is supposedly squared away, and the groundbreaking was set for "late summer," and then that became "September," but next week it's going to be October.

I drive by there every day, multiple times. I've never seen so much as a survey truck or someone to clean off the sign. I'm not losing any sleep, but I don't think I'm wrong to have doubts.

Except this time, they've actually filed plans with the city. Time will tell how this project plays out but outside of Publix still being an anchor tenant, this project is pretty much different from previous versions.

[Tacachale]

The skepticism is understandable, the projects have been on and off so long. When dirt starts turning, we can get our hopes up.

[MusicMan]

Careful Tacachale, you might be ridiculed on here for observing the obvious.

[thelakelander]

The skepticism is understandable, the projects have been on and off so long. When dirt starts turning, we can get our hopes up.

Of course. I just wouldn't lose any sleep over this or any development project. If it happens it happens. If it doesn't, it doesn't. It's just funny to see so much skepticism for something that literally just applied for permits two months ago. Applying doesn't mean you get immediate approval:

The San Marco Publix development is moving forward, as the Atlanta-based developer applied for several permits for the long-awaited project.

The $41 million project planned for Hendricks Avenue and Atlantic Boulevard show the 33,000-square-foot Publix Supermarket on the ground floor with apartments stacked on top.

full article: http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2016/07/01/east-san-marco-development-applies-for-permits-for.html

[thelakelander]

If helps, I just checked the SJWMD online permit search for this project:

Project Name:     East San Marco

Permit Number:     146109-2

Sequence Type:     Modification

Permit Type:     ERP Individual

County:     Duval

Received:     08/29/2016

Decision Date:     No Date

Expiration Date:     No Date

Description:     Redevelopment of a previously developed site at the southeast corner of Hendricks Ave and Atlantic Blvd. Site development will consist of a mixed use multi-level building, on-street parking along Atlantic and Mango Place, and two offsite parking lots along Mango Place. Utility improvements to be completed along Mango Pl, Atlantic Blvd, and Alford Pl. The project includes improvements to the existing stormwater collection system along Mango Pl.

Status:     Pending

Recommendation:     Approval

Applicant:     BR ArchCo ESM, LLC

Owner:     East San Marco, LLC

Process Status:     In Routing

https://permitting.sjrwmd.com/epermitting/jsp/Search.do?theAction=searchDetail&permitNumber=147294

[Tacachale]

Careful Tacachale, you might be ridiculed on here for observing the obvious.

That much is obvious. However I don't think it's obvious that the current project is in trouble, that the current delays are especially worrisome, that the first incarnation would have necessarily been good for the area after all the condo foreclosures, etc.

The skepticism is understandable, the projects have been on and off so long. When dirt starts turning, we can get our hopes up.

Of course. I just wouldn't lose any sleep over this or any development project. If it happens it happens. If it doesn't, it doesn't. It's just funny to see so much skepticism for something that literally just applied for permits two months ago. Applying doesn't mean you get immediate approval:

The San Marco Publix development is moving forward, as the Atlanta-based developer applied for several permits for the long-awaited project.

The $41 million project planned for Hendricks Avenue and Atlantic Boulevard show the 33,000-square-foot Publix Supermarket on the ground floor with apartments stacked on top.

full article: http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2016/07/01/east-san-marco-development-applies-for-permits-for.html

Yeah, there's a difference between healthy skepticism/wariness and the doom and gloom. I'm not getting my hopes up (it's around the corner from me), but I don't particularly see a reason to doubt that things are moving along based on current evidence.

[MusicMan]

Want to make sure you know, I want this to happen, big time!  My frustration is that this parcel was acquired so long ago and has sat empty for over 10 years. Right in the heart of a great neighborhood. As far as I know it has not even been used as a staging location for anything. 

[dp8541]

Want to make sure you know, I want this to happen, big time!  My frustration is that this parcel was acquired so long ago and has sat empty for over 10 years. Right in the heart of a great neighborhood. As far as I know it has not even been used as a staging location for anything.

They used the site as a parking lot for a street festival in the Square a few years back!

[blfair]

If helps, I just checked the SJWMD online permit search for this project:
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https://permitting.sjrwmd.com/epermitting/jsp/Search.do?theAction=searchDetail&permitNumber=147294

The status has changed... for whatever that is worth. Several documents have been added in the last few days.

Description:     Redevelopment of a high-intensity commercial parcel.
Status:     Issued   Recommendation:     Approval
Applicant:     East San Marco, LLC   Owner:     East San Marco, LLC
Agent:        Process Status:     Issued
Wetlands:     No   

[thelakelander]

"Our partners submitted applications for permits in July. It just takes time," said McKinley. "We expect to close and start construction later this year. Perhaps the timeline has been pushed back slightly from when we thought the start of the project would be, but it is still the same renderings. It is still 239 apartments and the anchor is still Publix. We still have a signed lease with Publix," he said, adding that once construction commences it should take 14 to 18 months to complete.

The East San Marco project will include a 32,000-square-foot Publix, slightly larger than the one in Riverside, and a total of 13,000 square feet of retail space. The prime corner space where a restaurant is planned is 3,500 square feet with an additional 500 square feet available for outside patio dining. It is possible to add 1,500 square feet of additional space allowing for a 5,000-square-foot restaurant if needed, McKinley said. If a 5,000-square-foot restaurant goes in, that leaves room for only four or five small shops to be housed in the remaining 8,000 square feet, he said. "It's not a ton of retail. I wish I had more," said McKinley.

Full article: http://residentnews.net/2016/10/03/regency-reps-dispel-rumors-east-san-marco/

[rbarksdale332]

This reply makes me happy because I noticed the Publix sign is no longer up there and my family started to worry. We have lived in the area for 20 years and it would make us so happy to have one right down the street!