More than 50 shot to death, multiple injuries in Orlando Mass Shooting at Downtown Gay Bar

[Downtown Osprey]

Wow this really shook me down to the core of my bones. Right in our backyard. I honestly don't know what the solution is to prevent this more in the future. It could happen anywhere.

Innocent lives taken because some dude disagreed with their sexual preference. Unbelievable. I can only hope people can swallow their religious and political pride and learn to be accepting of everyone, from all walks of life.

[peestandingup]

um.  do you have any idea what is happening in the world?  Uganda?  Russia?  Christian governments.  I know you to be a widely read person, but radical, queer killing christianity is quite alive and well in the world.  And even domestically a gay person is far more likely to be murdered by a christian than a muslim.

I do, but its not in nearly the same numbers. And two, you're mostly talking about some third world shitholes where this stuff flies. Christians have mostly moved past this in western civilization, whereas Islam in many respects are still stuck in their angsty teenage years (even in the first world). Don't believe me? Try going over to some of these places in Europe today & question it (or even break some of their laws) & see what happens. You'll likely get assaulted or worse. This isn't some Trump-esque hyperbole, its happening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP6U6Hhy_2M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSbgxChQAhQ&t=8m0s

"But my friends aren't like that!" Well good. Your friends have a good head on their shoulders, are probably educated, etc. I'm not saying Islam is bad, just that there's a ton of bad eggs in it that doesn't mesh well with western civilization. They're not the majority, but they're def enough to cause problems.

You posted a video of the (former) leader of the English Defence League (EDL) - a far-right neo-fascist group - driving through an asian neighbourhood in Luton (where he grew up and lives). Of course he's not welcome there. We demonstrated to keep him and his skinhead/football hooligan followers out of Waltham Forest, too. And by "we", I mean atheists, muslims, christians and jews.

I walked from Whitechapel tube station to Liverpool Street station on Saturday and wasn't swarmed by muslims looking to kill me because I am an infidel.

Tommy Robinson is a bigot - and although I don't approve of violence of any sort, I am not surprised he was punched.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Robinson_(activist)

Was the 60 Minutes reporter who got manhandled a bigot too? Her cameraman?? Look, the simple fact is I just posted a couple videos I remembered watching in the past. There's literally hundreds of examples all over the place. I'm not gonna get into a copy/paste war but they're easy to find.

[FlaBoy]

It's probably a bit too soon for any of us to try to reach conclusions about the gunman's motivation(s).

Sure. Check Christian law on homosexuality & get back to me. Spoiler: It's death.

http://www.rawstory.com/2014/09/tn-pastor-vows-not-to-repent-for-homophobia-god-says-gays-must-be-put-to-death/

Brainerd Baptist Church Senior Pastor Robby Gallaty devoted his entire hour-long sermon on Sunday to justifying Christian opposition to the sexuality of LGBT people.

After spending about 20 minutes recounting the perils of homosexuality throughout history, Gallaty asserted that the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by God because of gay sex.

"God said that the sins of the people had infected the very land in which they live," he explained. "So what happens to people who engage in this activity, this sexual immoral activity? Go to Leviticus 20, God gives us the punishment for engaging in these sins... 'If a man sleeps with a man as with a woman, they have both committed a detestable thing. They must be put to death. And their blood is on their own hands.'"

Totally the same! Now show me the times Christian nut jobs actually carried out murder of homosexuals in modern times, and I'll show you how the other guys do it on a day to day basis (among many other horrible punishments towards women).

Why the left chooses to defend them when it goes against pretty much everything they stand for I'll never know.

It's probably a bit too soon for any of us to try to reach conclusions about the gunman's motivation(s).

Sure. Check Islamic law on homosexuality & get back to me. Spoiler: It's death.

Funny that - I have a number of Muslim friends and none of them have any issues with homosexuals. Maybe you should get out more.

They may not, but unfortunately many of the more hardcore ones do (and actually act upon it harshly). And I get out plenty. Any other snide remarks??

um.  do you have any idea what is happening in the world?  Uganda?  Russia?  Christian governments.  I know you to be a widely read person, but radical, queer killing christianity is quite alive and well in the world.  And even domestically a gay person is far more likely to be murdered by a christian than a muslim.

Russia is one of the most un-churched societies in the world. http://www.pewforum.org/2014/02/10/russians-return-to-religion-but-not-to-church/

Chalk up their anti-LGBT sentiments more to birth rate, statism, and Darwinism if you read Putin's comments, not religion. Heck, Christianity was illegal there for almost 70 years as it was the atheistic bastion of the world.

[thelakelander]

Orlando nightclub shooting: Read about the victims

Full article, names and photographs: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/pulse-orlando-nightclub-shooting/victims/os-pulse-nightclub-orlando-shooting-victims-htmlstory.html

[Adam White]

um.  do you have any idea what is happening in the world?  Uganda?  Russia?  Christian governments.  I know you to be a widely read person, but radical, queer killing christianity is quite alive and well in the world.  And even domestically a gay person is far more likely to be murdered by a christian than a muslim.

I do, but its not in nearly the same numbers. And two, you're mostly talking about some third world shitholes where this stuff flies. Christians have mostly moved past this in western civilization, whereas Islam in many respects are still stuck in their angsty teenage years (even in the first world). Don't believe me? Try going over to some of these places in Europe today & question it (or even break some of their laws) & see what happens. You'll likely get assaulted or worse. This isn't some Trump-esque hyperbole, its happening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP6U6Hhy_2M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSbgxChQAhQ&t=8m0s

"But my friends aren't like that!" Well good. Your friends have a good head on their shoulders, are probably educated, etc. I'm not saying Islam is bad, just that there's a ton of bad eggs in it that doesn't mesh well with western civilization. They're not the majority, but they're def enough to cause problems.

You posted a video of the (former) leader of the English Defence League (EDL) - a far-right neo-fascist group - driving through an asian neighbourhood in Luton (where he grew up and lives). Of course he's not welcome there. We demonstrated to keep him and his skinhead/football hooligan followers out of Waltham Forest, too. And by "we", I mean atheists, muslims, christians and jews.

I walked from Whitechapel tube station to Liverpool Street station on Saturday and wasn't swarmed by muslims looking to kill me because I am an infidel.

Tommy Robinson is a bigot - and although I don't approve of violence of any sort, I am not surprised he was punched.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Robinson_(activist)

Was the 60 Minutes reporter who got manhandled a bigot too? Her cameraman?? Look, the simple fact is I just posted a couple videos I remembered watching in the past. There's literally hundreds of examples all over the place. I'm not gonna get into a copy/paste war but they're easy to find.

I don't know anything about that woman. But I don't know anything about the attackers, either. You post this link as 'evidence' of how islam is violent. There was nothing in that video to lead me or any rational person to conclude that the attack had anything to do with religion. The guys involved may have been muslims (likely were), but they were also (apparently) unemployed - maybe in a gang, though it's possible the word 'gang' was used loosely. Clearly they didn't like being filmed. If this had happened in the South Bronx in the 1980s, would you hold it out as an example of how christianity is violent?

And, by the way, you don't want to be called a bigot, but you referred to "third world shitholes" earlier. As I said, you need to get out more.

[FlaBoy]

Orlando nightclub shooting: Read about the victims

Full article, names and photographs: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/pulse-orlando-nightclub-shooting/victims/os-pulse-nightclub-orlando-shooting-victims-htmlstory.html

Heartbreaking.

[FlaBoy]

It's probably a bit too soon for any of us to try to reach conclusions about the gunman's motivation(s).

Sure. Check Christian law on homosexuality & get back to me. Spoiler: It's death.

http://www.rawstory.com/2014/09/tn-pastor-vows-not-to-repent-for-homophobia-god-says-gays-must-be-put-to-death/

Brainerd Baptist Church Senior Pastor Robby Gallaty devoted his entire hour-long sermon on Sunday to justifying Christian opposition to the sexuality of LGBT people.

After spending about 20 minutes recounting the perils of homosexuality throughout history, Gallaty asserted that the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by God because of gay sex.

"God said that the sins of the people had infected the very land in which they live," he explained. "So what happens to people who engage in this activity, this sexual immoral activity? Go to Leviticus 20, God gives us the punishment for engaging in these sins... 'If a man sleeps with a man as with a woman, they have both committed a detestable thing. They must be put to death. And their blood is on their own hands.'"

Totally the same! Now show me the times Christian nut jobs actually carried out murder of homosexuals in modern times, and I'll show you how the other guys do it on a day to day basis (among many other horrible punishments towards women).

Why the left chooses to defend them when it goes against pretty much everything they stand for I'll never know.

It's probably a bit too soon for any of us to try to reach conclusions about the gunman's motivation(s).

Sure. Check Islamic law on homosexuality & get back to me. Spoiler: It's death.

Funny that - I have a number of Muslim friends and none of them have any issues with homosexuals. Maybe you should get out more.

They may not, but unfortunately many of the more hardcore ones do (and actually act upon it harshly). And I get out plenty. Any other snide remarks??

um.  do you have any idea what is happening in the world?  Uganda?  Russia?  Christian governments.  I know you to be a widely read person, but radical, queer killing christianity is quite alive and well in the world.  And even domestically a gay person is far more likely to be murdered by a christian than a muslim.

Russia is one of the most un-churched societies in the world. http://www.pewforum.org/2014/02/10/russians-return-to-religion-but-not-to-church/

Chalk up their anti-LGBT sentiments more to birth rate, statism, and Darwinism if you read Putin's comments, not religion. Heck, Christianity was illegal there for almost 70 years as it was the atheistic bastion of the world.

literally one of the most uninformed posts I've ever read.

Why? 

Although I apologize for even addressing this in the thread since it is not the time or place to be debating the source of LGBT animosity in Russia.

We should just be mourning the victims and sharing in their families' grief.

[FlaBoy]

^^  Putin has very closely aligned himself with the Russian Orthodox church and uses them to push, among other things, his anti-gay agenda.

Because he basically controls all things in Russia. It is statism. They either get in line or are destroyed. The leaders either get in line or are replaced. That is the way things work once again in Russia whether the Russian Orthodox Church, the news media, or the local union.

[SuzySpringfield]

Why weren't Jacksonville's bridges lit up in support for Orlando last night? Hundreds of cities across the world participated, but not Jacksonville..

I know it doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things, but I think it's fucking shameful.

[peestandingup]

I don't know anything about that woman. But I don't know anything about the attackers, either. You post this link as 'evidence' of how islam is violent.

I never said all of Islam is violent, just that there's a lot who are radical. And when they're radicalized they kill, or celebrate the killing of others. So when they're bad, they're really bad. That's the difference between them & the big bad Christians of today's world you guys like to deflect with who "do the same thing". Its not even a contest, so its a stupid thing to counter with.

And, by the way, you don't want to be called a bigot, but you referred to "third world shitholes" earlier. As I said, you need to get out more.

Ugh, are you really this touchy?? Put your big boy pants on & stop looking to be offended every time someone speaks. The world doesn't work the way you & your eco chamber circle of parrots think or hope it does.

[Adam White]

I don't know anything about that woman. But I don't know anything about the attackers, either. You post this link as 'evidence' of how islam is violent.

I never said all of Islam is violent, just that there's a lot who are radical. And when they're radicalized they kill, or celebrate the killing of others. So when they're bad, they're really bad. That's the difference between them & the big bad Christians of today's world you guys like to deflect with who "do the same thing". Its not even a contest, so its a stupid thing to counter with.

And, by the way, you don't want to be called a bigot, but you referred to "third world shitholes" earlier. As I said, you need to get out more.

Ugh, are you really this touchy?? Put your big boy pants on & stop looking to be offended every time someone speaks.

Well, you post a video of kids attacking a camera man and reporter and to you, it has something to do with islam. Because to you, those kids are muslims first and foremost. There was nothing in that video that should lead anyone to think that had to do with religion. Those kids might not even really be that religious. That video had nothing to do with radical islamism - which I am 100% willing to admit is a problem. And those of us who actually have to be concerned about the threat of IS know that it is an issue.

As far as this is concerned:

The world doesn't work the way you & your eco chamber circle of parrots think or hope it does.

What? What does that have to do with you making really ignorant comments about "third world shitholes"? When was the last time you visited one of these "shitholes"?

I'm guessing never.

[acme54321]

Why weren't Jacksonville's bridges lit up in support for Orlando last night? Hundreds of cities across the world participated, but not Jacksonville..

I know it doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things, but I think it's fucking shameful.

I'm guessing it's because they only have blue or white lights on them.  Just a hunch.

[SuzySpringfield]

Why weren't Jacksonville's bridges lit up in support for Orlando last night? Hundreds of cities across the world participated, but not Jacksonville..

I know it doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things, but I think it's fucking shameful.

I'm guessing it's because they only have blue or white lights on them.  Just a hunch.

The Acosta used to run rainbow colors. I've contacted PRI to see if anything could be loaned to the city as the responses from city council members have been ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Downtown Osprey]

Why weren't Jacksonville's bridges lit up in support for Orlando last night? Hundreds of cities across the world participated, but not Jacksonville..

I know it doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things, but I think it's fucking shameful.

I'm guessing it's because they only have blue or white lights on them.  Just a hunch.

The Acosta used to run rainbow colors. I've contacted PRI to see if anything could be loaned to the city as the responses from city council members have been ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I mean, I've seen TONS of Jacksonville citizens donating blood for the victims in Orlando, as well as hundreds of people gathered in Memorial Park, but yeah, let's bitch about a bridge.

[finehoe]

...but yeah, let's bitch about a bridge.

Plenty of conservatives bitched about this last summer:

So it's only fair.