JSO involved shooting in Springfield

[The_Choose_1]

The JSO does a lot by intimidating, but so do most cops in America. For we the people out number them.

[SuzySpringfield]

But one thing is certain I have just about had it with police- every death should have an independent investigation and every cop should wear a body cam they cant turn off.  How is this even up for debate? 

The argument I often hear is the cost, not of the cameras/vests themselves, but for the data storage. I find it mind blowing that a philanthropic tech org (Bill and Melinda Gates Found, Chan Zuckerberg Initiative, etc) hasn't stepped up and offered to find a way to house all this data for free (since our own governments don't find it to be a priority). If it's physically and technologically capable of happening, it should be as important as having armed police. Their days of being free from culpability are soon coming to an end, but it'll time so everyone have your cameras ready.

[Josh]

But one thing is certain I have just about had it with police- every death should have an independent investigation and every cop should wear a body cam they cant turn off.  How is this even up for debate? 

The argument I often hear is the cost, not of the cameras/vests themselves, but for the data storage. I find it mind blowing that a philanthropic tech org (Bill and Melinda Gates Found, Chan Zuckerberg Initiative, etc) hasn't stepped up and offered to find a way to house all this data for free (since our own governments don't find it to be a priority). If it's physically and technologically capable of happening, it should be as important as having armed police. Their days of being free from culpability are soon coming to an end, but it'll time so everyone have your cameras ready.

Because local governments are penny-wise but pound-foolish. They sneer at the costs of utilizing and maintaining body cameras and the associated data, but then the citizens are the ones stuck with the bill in the inevitable wrongful death lawsuits that follow.

[The_Choose_1]

But one thing is certain I have just about had it with police- every death should have an independent investigation and every cop should wear a body cam they cant turn off.  How is this even up for debate? 

The argument I often hear is the cost, not of the cameras/vests themselves, but for the data storage. I find it mind blowing that a philanthropic tech org (Bill and Melinda Gates Found, Chan Zuckerberg Initiative, etc) hasn't stepped up and offered to find a way to house all this data for free (since our own governments don't find it to be a priority). If it's physically and technologically capable of happening, it should be as important as having armed police. Their days of being free from culpability are soon coming to an end, but it'll time so everyone have your cameras ready.

Because local governments are penny-wise but pound-foolish. They sneer at the costs of utilizing and maintaining body cameras and the associated data, but then the citizens are the ones stuck with the bill in the inevitable wrongful death lawsuits that follow.

So do we the people just say screw the body camera's because some people in Jacksonville Florida would be afraid of a wrongful death lawsuit? Come on that's nuts. Curry got his comm service officers and is getting more cops. The JSO & Firefighters if they make it to retirement all get Golden Parachutes. Hey lets raise the sales tax to a penny and pay for the new body camera's and assoc data. I'm going to still vote NO on the 1/2 cent sales tax so adding another 1/2 cent doesn't change anything for me.

[Josh]

But one thing is certain I have just about had it with police- every death should have an independent investigation and every cop should wear a body cam they cant turn off.  How is this even up for debate? 

The argument I often hear is the cost, not of the cameras/vests themselves, but for the data storage. I find it mind blowing that a philanthropic tech org (Bill and Melinda Gates Found, Chan Zuckerberg Initiative, etc) hasn't stepped up and offered to find a way to house all this data for free (since our own governments don't find it to be a priority). If it's physically and technologically capable of happening, it should be as important as having armed police. Their days of being free from culpability are soon coming to an end, but it'll time so everyone have your cameras ready.

Because local governments are penny-wise but pound-foolish. They sneer at the costs of utilizing and maintaining body cameras and the associated data, but then the citizens are the ones stuck with the bill in the inevitable wrongful death lawsuits that follow.

So do we the people just say screw the body camera's because some people in Jacksonville Florida would be afraid of a wrongful death lawsuit? Come on that's nuts. Curry got his comm service officers and is getting more cops. The JSO & Firefighters if they make it to retirement all get Golden Parachutes. Hey lets raise the sales tax to a penny and pay for the new body camera's and assoc data. I'm going to still vote NO on the 1/2 cent sales tax so adding another 1/2 cent doesn't change anything for me.

Um, the argument I am making is that we will have LESS lawsuits against JSO if they are wearing body cameras. Therefore we will SAVE money.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

and it just occurred to me why the data argument is really bunk:

you can determine quite quickly if any violence or shooting incident occurred involving a police officer.  then, an INDEPENDENT body wipes the unnecessary footage once a month or whatever.

this is so solvable its absurd police are allowed to obstruct with such nonsense

While not a horrible idea, I'm sure there' s some sort of statue of limitations on how ong the munincipalities have to store public records.

[SuzySpringfield]

But one thing is certain I have just about had it with police- every death should have an independent investigation and every cop should wear a body cam they cant turn off.  How is this even up for debate? 

The argument I often hear is the cost, not of the cameras/vests themselves, but for the data storage. I find it mind blowing that a philanthropic tech org (Bill and Melinda Gates Found, Chan Zuckerberg Initiative, etc) hasn't stepped up and offered to find a way to house all this data for free (since our own governments don't find it to be a priority).

Something along the lines of this:
https://news.microsoft.com/2016/01/19/microsoft-philanthropies-announces-commitment-to-donate-1-billion-in-cloud-computing-resources-to-serve-the-public-good/#sm.00001e3lfto97tcs0yb3kswfmedwz

[AKIRA]

If you wish to research the question of camera costs, do a public records request for cost of data for UNF's police camera footage and, presumably, multiply it to JSO level.

[SuzySpringfield]

FBI to investigate -
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2016-06-10/story/jacksonville-sheriff-fbi-hold-joint-news-conference-may-police-shooting

Video of the press confernce -
https://www.facebook.com/JacksonvilleSheriffsOffice/videos/10153683771907896/

[strider]

Interesting that this is not stating that there will be an independent investigation but rather it will be a review of the JSO investigation to be done after JSO completes the investigation. In fact, the Sheriff indicated a review like this is quite common, just not often announced. I suspect this is not what some of the various groups had asked for nor feels will be what guarantees a fair and just outcome.  But who knows.  We in the public have very little actually information at this point and I doubt we will be getting any real new info for some time yet.

[Adam White]

Interesting that this is not stating that there will be an independent investigation but rather it will be a review of the JSO investigation to be done after JSO completes the investigation. In fact, the Sheriff indicated a review like this is quite common, just not often announced. I suspect this is not what some of the various groups had asked for nor feels will be what guarantees a fair and just outcome.  But who knows.  We in the public have very little actually information at this point and I doubt we will be getting any real new info for some time yet.

Yes, there is very little information and there is no reason to doubt that the FBI investigation (or review, if you will) will be sufficient. I think a lot of people are starting out with a lot of preconceived notions and it's getting a bit tiresome.

[sheclown]

So the FBI was called in yesterday

This is interesting.  Logically,  the FBI wouldn't be called in unless the sheriff decided the shooting was justified and needed additional juice.   

But time will tell.

Still think a Citizen's Review Board is a good response to this situation.

Some info on Atlanta's:

Atlanta Citizen Review Board Overview

The Atlanta Citizen Review Board (ACRB) was established by  Ordinance (City Sec 2 2201 Establishment of the Atlanta Citizen Review Board) as an independent agency in 2007 and amended with subpoena power in May of 2010 (ACRB-Ordinance-Amendment 10-0-0773). The purpose of the legislation is to ensure that city departments directly responsible for public safety, particularly the Police Department and the Department of Corrections have the proper support of the government and its various agencies. It is designed to provide citizen oversight of misconduct accusations against sworn members of the police and corrections departments in the City of Atlanta.

The ACRB provides a credible, independent forum where complaints and accusations can be assessed. It is also designed to help prevent future incidents of police or corrections misconduct and abuses of civil rights and to reduce the amount of money needed to satisfy judgments and settlements based on upon allegations of police or corrections misconduct. The ACRB promotes public confidence in law enforcement and lessens the possibility that future incidents of urban unrest will occur.

http://acrbgov.org

[The_Choose_1]

Lets raise the sales tax just for the body camera's and data storage that the JSO really doesn't want they just don't have the Balls to say it.

[sheclown]

facebook.

"The Town Hall Meeting ‪#‎Justice4lilRedd‬ ‪#‎Jacksonville‬ ‪#‎TheKemeticEmpire‬
Certain Clergymen , City officials have been put on notice from this meeting. The people have spoke!"

http://www.news4jax.com/video/bing-town-hall-meeting

[sheclown]