5 Points intersection beacon

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

There was an open, public meeting for this a few years ago at SunRay.

Crosswalk improvements were definitely discussed.  Using flashing lights, a raised crosswalk, speedbumps, ped. priority signaling, etc...  But even in a room full of what you would hope to be progressive thinkers, the main argument that kept creeping back up was, "How would raised crosswalks affect the morning and afternoon traffic?"

AYFKM?  So a room full of people trying to get a feel for 'pedestrian' improvements kept circling the wagons around not wanting to piss off the commuters through the area. 

It's hard to have a truly walkable area when even the pro-pedestrian people don't want to run the risk of messing up their morning commute. 

Also, same issue on the topic about turning College and Post back to one way with considerable pedestrian/bike improvements.

[lowlyplanner]

I find some of the crossings are better than others.  But Park Street between Hovan and Wendy's and Margaret between the pharmacy and Wendy's can both be tough.

Pedestrians shouldn't have to wait for traffic or hurry across...

The more 5 Points feels like 1 place - from the main drag on Park Street to M Shack to Lomax to Mossfire and Black Sheep down to Starbucks and Memorial Park - the larger it will feel and the more of a draw it will be.

[Tacachale]

I think officially, pedestrians get the right of way, meaning traffic is supposed to yield to them like at the crosswalk by Sunray, and any other. Part of the issue here is that there is a mix of stop signs and free crossings, with no clear way to indicate yielding. This problem is only going to get worse as Five Points and the rest of Riverside continue to grow. Presumably that will be something that's fixed in the update, and it'll be clearer that pedestrians always have the right of way. The alternative - leaving it as is - doesn't sound like a viable solution in the long term.

[tufsu1]

Careful, make too big of a deal out of this and JTA will build an overpass.

Not really their style anymore

[RattlerGator]

Great photo, Josh. Thanks for posting it.

[RattlerGator]

Christy Frazier posted today that the beacon is staying, but will be moved over about 5 - 7 feet.

Surely some preliminary drawings have been completed if there have been meetings and some sort of intended resolution about this issue. Where are they?

[Adam White]

Christy Frazier posted today that the beacon is staying, but will be moved over about 5 - 7 feet.

Surely some preliminary drawings have been completed if there have been meetings and some sort of intended resolution about this issue. Where are they?

I have no idea. Christy is a friend and she posted something about it on Facebook. Something to the effect of thinking it was going to be taken away but that it was saved by the merchants, etc. She's a merchant, so I guess she was consulted. I wonder if RAP know anything.

[mtraininjax]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/5-points-iconic-traffic-light-may-be-removed/216311043

Bill Bishop is........alive and available for comment if you need him. 

[camarocane]

Wow, 6 pages about a bollard and the definition of a roundabout... Love this forum
Are there any actual traffic engineers on this board who can comment on what they perceive to be the best solution. I would like to see some drawings or sketches of proposals as well, RattlerGator.

[Adam White]

haha look at those 2 cars in the video keeping right of the beacon...boy are they lucky they didn't get t-boned from park st!!!

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Insert Frye meme:

Not sure if 'See you next Tuesday' is genuine because of upcoming travel plans

or a thinly veiled euphemism aimed at jlmann...

[Adam White]

still cant believe youre a self described liberal/progressive

in the future maybe pipe down when the adult progressives are talking i suspect you'll just make us look bad

your ability to stick to your old opinion and ways of thinking and screen out contradictory information would make you a rock star conservative.  ever consider running for office?

I'm not a liberal or a "progressive" whatever that means. I am, for lack of a better word, a socialist (though I cringe at people using such descriptors). But I am a former member of the SPUSA, a former Fabian and a current member of Left Unity. So make what you will of that.

[Adam White]

Insert Frye meme:

Not sure if 'See you next Tuesday' is genuine because of upcoming travel plans

or a thinly veiled euphemism aimed at jlmann...

I swear it was a reference to your upcoming Memorial Day weekend (and my bank holiday weekend). I swear.

[Adam White]

hardyhar.  its really unfortunate you've been wrong these years adam.  it can be tough to face sometimes even over a traffic beacon but try to cope

i backed off the comments on your brain, but it's pretty clear how lacking your analytical skills are.  never have you offered anything other than your unsubstantiated opinion and some anecdotal observations from someone who apparently does even live in jax any longer.

but yeah im the See.U.N.T. because i refuse to let you characterize your unfounded opinion as a legitimate alternative to that which is correct

I have said before that I might be wrong. But apparently you missed that. And I stand by what I said - I might be wrong, but I am going to need more than a single column in the Times Union before I accept what you seem to think is the undeniable truth.

I think I'm being more than reasonable about this. You have been resolute in your position and have been the one that first started with the personal insults. All over a fucking traffic bollard.

[Adam White]

well clearly i wasn't the only one who thought you were calling me a, lets say, runt

I'd be lying if I said otherwise. It was all a bit of "banter" (which apparently these days is offered as a defense for being a dickhead). So, sorry about that.

I just don't like the constant sniping - I think it's perfectly reasonable for us to have differing opinions without having to get personal or take it too seriously.