Riot In Riverside! July 4th 2008! riot brings mayhem.

[RiversideGator]

thanks fpj, and its ridiculous that you feel you have to choose your words carefully.  In reality you dont.

Sadly there have been a couple of personal agendas on parade by a couple of people who were no where near this event and actually uninterested in the event itself.

Stephen:  I hope you are not referring to me as I have significant interest in the events in Riverside and have a significant financial interest as well.

And DTP, you aware that quite often these 'citizen journalism' sites (as you have decided to start calling them) are quite ahead of the 'corporate media' blow jobs we often get.

As it turns out, this thread is a GREAT example of 'journalism'.

and FPJ, thanks for your contribution to this awesome thread.

This is better than corporate journalism if by "better" you mean even more overblown and focused on obsessively covering negative minor events.

[RiversideGator]

Whatever agenda is being pursued by all of this 'thought police' chatter, Im sure its as much of a yawn as the idea that 'nothing happened"

But is it really OK for the police to tell an entire crowd of people, no matter what their color to simply leave an entire area?

And I mean to ask this question divorced of the backdrop of the Five Points riot.

Its especially ironic because the kids in Five Points have had the same problem themselves.

Yes.  Loitering is still a crime.  You cannot just hang out just because you want to.  You have to have some legitimate purpose.

and that is bullshit, as well as a lie.

While it is true that you cannot 'loiter' in areas with posted signs, you have a right to be in any publicly open place, doing 'nothing'.

Actually, you are wrong again.  Loitering is still a crime.  You cannot just hang out as these kids were.  Here is the relevant Florida Statute:

856.021  Loitering or prowling; penalty.--

(1)  It is unlawful for any person to loiter or prowl in a place, at a time or in a manner not usual for law-abiding individuals, under circumstances that warrant a justifiable and reasonable alarm or immediate concern for the safety of persons or property in the vicinity.

(2)  Among the circumstances which may be considered in determining whether such alarm or immediate concern is warranted is the fact that the person takes flight upon appearance of a law enforcement officer, refuses to identify himself or herself, or manifestly endeavors to conceal himself or herself or any object. Unless flight by the person or other circumstance makes it impracticable, a law enforcement officer shall, prior to any arrest for an offense under this section, afford the person an opportunity to dispel any alarm or immediate concern which would otherwise be warranted by requesting the person to identify himself or herself and explain his or her presence and conduct. No person shall be convicted of an offense under this section if the law enforcement officer did not comply with this procedure or if it appears at trial that the explanation given by the person is true and, if believed by the officer at the time, would have dispelled the alarm or immediate concern.

(3)  Any person violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

http://www.megalaw.com/fl/flstatutes.php?Mode=Display_Statute&codelink=@Search_String=@URL=Ch0856/SEC021.HTM@Title=-%3E2007-%3ECh0856-%3ESection%20021#0856.021

[RiversideGator]

I never said I was omniscient or that everyone was lying.  I said you were exaggerating a relatively minor incident for dramatic effect.  You do thrive on drama.  Why dont you just drop it.

[David]

It's looking like the jax.com message board on here, nice!

[Coolyfett]

This is to be chalked up to Jacksonville's future: people too stupid and too violent to realize they are too stupid and too violent.

Sadness. Does anyone remember those movies Gremlins? A lot of these kids remind me of those creatures in those movies. Wild, Out of Control, & Green errrrrr Black.

Eazy I understand your frustration man. The line that I quoted from you made a lot of sense. Man I'm not sure your race nor does it matter, I'm a black guy man and if you could ever meet some of the black women with like 4 children from "5" different dudes and hear the "I don't care I'm Grown" "No one can judge me" speech they have prepared you would scratch your head till it bleeds Eazy. Someone was quick to say NO HIP HOP!! NO HIP HOP!! I guess in their eyes all hip hop equals knucklehead black people. Maybe I'm just getting old, I have no clue how this knucklehead rap got "SO COOL". I just don't know people...I'm always sad to hear this sort of nonsense. Those cats in the 60s fought so hard man, only for their great grandkids to ruin it. It's embarrassing. 

[Coolyfett]

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In fact its the opposite that is true.  The more people there are on a street, the safer it usually is.

Hmmm that is an interesting point Stephan, BUT the crowds must be diverse!! Diversity is a must to insure safety. If there were more white people at this Poison boys event, that would have instantly made it safer. Believe it or not the more diverse the crowd the safer. You could put any of those knuckleheads in a setting like the Ocean Club or Marks and they would behave. Ive seen the same person act different at different events based on the crowd.

Take out half of the black KIDS that were there and replace them with whites and asian KIDS and you have NO RIOT to cover up.

Truth - the crowd was the reason for all the chaos. Where will you see more fights? 93.3's Come Together Day or the  Warped Tour? Even the turtles know the answer to that one.

[Coolyfett]

By the way, here is a flyer for the event.

OOOOOH NO!! This was Ivory Orr's event?? Damn, Point Blank Ent is nothing like Cool Runnings Crew. The guys running and promoting this event are NOT knuckleheads 4 of them are UNF graduates......this is weird. Thanks for posting this flier, I'm at a lose for words...The Point Blank guys are normally more responsible than this. weird.

[jacksonvilleconfidential]

Very well said stephen.

[Ernest Street]

Well Put Stephen. I wish Tom And Gunnell would write a book about 5 points history and changes.

[jacksonvilleconfidential]

I wish Jim from Fuel/Raglands would do a "Wilt Chamberlain" sort of tell all, it would certainly be a companion book to Tom and Gunnells' historical account.

[turdwithdreads]

Silly putty.....

[RiversideGator]

I never said I was omniscient or that everyone was lying.  I said you were exaggerating a relatively minor incident for dramatic effect.  You do thrive on drama.  Why dont you just drop it.

fool,  read the damned statute before you post next time.

And now the prince of Five Points is reduced to name calling.

BTW, I did read it.  I would love to hear your "expert" legal opinion as to how I am wrong.   

and try to limit your lying to what you personally say.  I did not at any time give a first person account.  If you don't like the way I write, stick to the political section.  But under no circumstances are multiple gunshots, tear gas, taserings or the need for 28 additional police officers a "minor" incident.

I never said you gave a first hand account.  I said you were exaggerating what had happened.  Big difference.

And why do you keep accusing me of lying?  Is this just projection on your part?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

[jacksonvilleconfidential]

"....And why do you keep accusing me of lying?  Is this just projection on your part?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

Yes, Ive only been on the forums for a little over a day now and I see people saying LIAR alot.

Reminds me of LuLu Fishpaw - "LIAR MOUTH"

[RiversideGator]

yawn.   River, dude.   have a drink.  preferably something with alka seltzer that will help let the gas out.

Im only going to answer your loitering lie, because you are doing a disservice when you deliberately mislead the public over points of law.

It is amusing to be lectured on the law by someone who, at best, has worked as a legal secretary or office manager in a law office.   

Here are the elements of loitering from the statute.  To be guilty of loitering you must be:
1)  you must be loitering or prowling in a place;
2)  at a time or in a manner not usual for law abiding citizens;
3)  under circumstances that warrant a justifiable and reasonable alarm or immediate concern for the safety of persons of property in the vicinity.

These kids were, from accounts, loudly complaining, insulting other people, walking into the street, acting obnoxious, etc, etc.  This satisfies all of the elements of loitering.  Hence, they were breaking the law.

I did not mean to give the impression that one could not legally window shop or bar hop in Five Points.  This is not loitering.  It was clear to the average observer that this was not what was happening here though.

You have listed on multiple other threads your distaste for the Five Points crowd, so it comes as no surprise your comments here.

You have no current connection to either Riverside or Five Points so spare us your "concern" for the neighborhood.  The phrase "all hat and no cattle" comes to mind when I see you pontificating about Riverside.

[jacksonvilleconfidential]

I dont think this incident is going to damage 5 points. there are way too many people like myself and the JC staff who love Riverside and 5 Points and we wont let it go down. VIVA LA 5-POINTS