Another Shooting: San Bernardino California

[BridgeTroll]

Oddly... 4 pages of this thread and no pictures posted of the perpetrators yet.  No wild conjecture of political persuasions.

Sorry.  My feed is full of false-flag theories, quasi-politi-gious statements and both sides of the 2nd Amendment debate.  No actual news to post.

It really wasn't meant for you...lol

[acme54321]

shocking isn't it?  It only took ten years for the country to become a daily blood bath after the ban on assualt weapons was ended.

Didn't our gun advocates here on MJ call the rest of us liberal moonbeam idiots for predicting this would happen? 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban

Do you realize that the guns outlawed under the AWB functioned the same as the complaint version of those same guns?  The AWB was nothing more than a feel good measure.  You could still legally buy an AK pattern rifle that would accept a 30 round magazine.  The only the the AWB outlawed that may have some sort of tactical advantage was folding stocks.  You should rad up on what that ban actually banned before blabbering about it preventing bloodbaths.... it didn't.

[BridgeTroll]

Oddly... 4 pages of this thread and no pictures posted of the perpetrators yet.  No wild conjecture of political persuasions.

I've not seen any pictures of the perpetrators in the news. I've seen the brother-in-law or whoever he is and his wife, but not the shooters.

That's really weird Adam... his pictures are all over... how strange

[Adam White]

Oddly... 4 pages of this thread and no pictures posted of the perpetrators yet.  No wild conjecture of political persuasions.

I've not seen any pictures of the perpetrators in the news. I've seen the brother-in-law or whoever he is and his wife, but not the shooters.

That's really weird Adam... his pictures are all over... how strange

Maybe it has something to do with where I live. The news here is more focused on the fact that Parliament has just voted to start murdering Syrians.

[BridgeTroll]

Oddly... 4 pages of this thread and no pictures posted of the perpetrators yet.  No wild conjecture of political persuasions.

I've not seen any pictures of the perpetrators in the news. I've seen the brother-in-law or whoever he is and his wife, but not the shooters.

That's really weird Adam... his pictures are all over... how strange

Maybe it has something to do with where I live. The news here is more focused on the fact that Parliament has just voted to start murdering Syrians.

Lol...I'm sure that's it Adam.  But the other day pictures were posted and political motives assigned within hours... it's just strange.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Maybe it has something to do with where I live. The news here is more focused on the fact that Parliament has just voted to start murdering Syrians.

That actually brings up something that I find kind of interesting.

Tragedy happens all over the world more frequently than I'd like to think  Some things we just grow numb too - murders in Africa, murders in the Middle East, revolutions in South America - to the point that those events aren't typically covered unless it's something out of the norm.

The fact that this isn't plastered all over the place in the UK tells me that we (the USA) is just another country where daily shootings/massacres are the 'norm' and not really worth airtime outside of our own country.

Kind of puts things in perspective.

[finehoe]

No doubt finehoe...

Why is this addressed to me?  It's not my quote. 

... perhaps registering churches, mosques, and temples... along with their associated congregants.  You know... a national registry...

Trump's beat you to it:  http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/donald-trump-doubles-down-on-registering-muslims/416973/

[BridgeTroll]

No doubt finehoe...

Why is this addressed to me?  It's not my quote. 

... perhaps registering churches, mosques, and temples... along with their associated congregants.  You know... a national registry...

Trump's beat you to it:  http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/donald-trump-doubles-down-on-registering-muslims/416973/

Nice try... this is in reference to firearm registration... it is such a good solution then certainly you should be open to other registration drives... you know cause they got nothing to hide right?

[Adam White]

Maybe it has something to do with where I live. The news here is more focused on the fact that Parliament has just voted to start murdering Syrians.

That actually brings up something that I find kind of interesting.

Tragedy happens all over the world more frequently than I'd like to think  Some things we just grow numb too - murders in Africa, murders in the Middle East, revolutions in South America - to the point that those events aren't typically covered unless it's something out of the norm.

The fact that this isn't plastered all over the place in the UK tells me that we (the USA) is just another country where daily shootings/massacres are the 'norm' and not really worth airtime outside of our own country.

Kind of puts things in perspective.

I think that's part of it. It certainly made the news here - but most people see it as just another shooting in America. It seems to happen an awful lot.

[Adam White]

Oddly... 4 pages of this thread and no pictures posted of the perpetrators yet.  No wild conjecture of political persuasions.

I've not seen any pictures of the perpetrators in the news. I've seen the brother-in-law or whoever he is and his wife, but not the shooters.

That's really weird Adam... his pictures are all over... how strange

Maybe it has something to do with where I live. The news here is more focused on the fact that Parliament has just voted to start murdering Syrians.

Lol...I'm sure that's it Adam.  But the other day pictures were posted and political motives assigned within hours... it's just strange.

That's not to say I haven't read descriptions of the suspects or perpetrators. I'm given to understand the male was Asian and the female was believed to be either Arab or Asian (but having moved to the USA from Saudi Arabia). Apparently they have or had a 6 month old child.

[acme54321]

shocking isn't it?  It only took ten years for the country to become a daily blood bath after the ban on assualt weapons was ended.

Didn't our gun advocates here on MJ call the rest of us liberal moonbeam idiots for predicting this would happen? 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban

Do you realize that the guns outlawed under the AWB functioned the same as the complaint version of those same guns?  The AWB was nothing more than a feel good measure.  You could still legally buy an AK pattern rifle that would accept a 30 round magazine.  The only the the AWB outlawed that may have some sort of tactical advantage was folding stocks.  You should rad up on what that ban actually banned before blabbering about it preventing bloodbaths.... it didn't.

ah.  the law slowed down the incidences, and then immediately after the law expired (thanks to your fellow travellers) the rate of mass shootings began shooting up in geometric proportions.

But the two things are not related to each other, and I need to read up on stuff before i post these inconvenient numbers.

Sounds reasonable.

Ok, let's see it.  I'd love to hear your analysis of the ban and how it prevented mass murderers from buying high capacity semi automatic rifles (hint, it didn't).    I know you have your agenda, which is fine, but in this case you're wrong.  The guns legal before, during, and after the ban all functioned the same.  Just a few minutes of reading the Wikipedia article you lined would reveal that.  So it wasn't the guns themselves that prevented anything.  There a number of huge developments in that 10 year period that came about and profoundly changed our society.  Maybe those had something to do with it?  I do know one thing, the physical properties of the firearms that were banned had nothing to do with it, the guns were functionally the same the whole time. 

[acme54321]

(thanks to your fellow travellers)

What is that supposed to mean?  Coming from you I imagine it's some sort of veiled insult on my intelligence.

[acme54321]

shocking isn't it?  It only took ten years for the country to become a daily blood bath after the ban on assualt weapons was ended.

Didn't our gun advocates here on MJ call the rest of us liberal moonbeam idiots for predicting this would happen? 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban

Do you realize that the guns outlawed under the AWB functioned the same as the complaint version of those same guns?  The AWB was nothing more than a feel good measure.  You could still legally buy an AK pattern rifle that would accept a 30 round magazine.  The only the the AWB outlawed that may have some sort of tactical advantage was folding stocks.  You should rad up on what that ban actually banned before blabbering about it preventing bloodbaths.... it didn't.

ah.  the law slowed down the incidences, and then immediately after the law expired (thanks to your fellow travellers) the rate of mass shootings began shooting up in geometric proportions.

But the two things are not related to each other, and I need to read up on stuff before i post these inconvenient numbers.

Sounds reasonable.

Ok, let's see it.  I'd love to hear your analysis of the ban and how it prevented mass murderers from buying high capacity semi automatic rifles (hint, it didn't).    I know you have your agenda, which is fine, but in this case you're wrong.  The guns legal before, during, and after the ban all functioned the same.  Just a few minutes of reading the Wikipedia article you lined would reveal that.  So it wasn't the guns themselves that prevented anything.  There a number of huge developments in that 10 year period that came about and profoundly changed our society.  Maybe those had something to do with it?  I do know one thing, the physical properties of the firearms that were banned had nothing to do with it, the guns were functionally the same the whole time.

you  mean other than the actual numbers, right?

Let's see em. 

Or, just explain to me how banning these features causes a downturn is mass shootings:

Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
-Folding or telescoping stock
-Pistol grip
-Bayonet mount
-Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
-Grenade launcher mount

The following guns are compliant with the 1994 AWB.  These were available for purchase the entire time the AWB was in place, along with any capacity magazine you wanted.  Hopefully these images will convey better than I can in words that the AWB had no teeth and in fact didn't ban "assault weapons":







Now, I want to know how you think the AWB actually caused a downturn in mass shootings.  I'm not overly concerned about the numbers, they aren't conclusive one way or the other.  I want to know how YOU think that those features that were banned would prevent anyone from going on a shooting spree.  Tell me, please. 

[coredumped]

Now, I want to know how you think the AWB actually caused a downturn in mass shootings.  I'm not overly concerned about the numbers, they aren't conclusive one way or the other.  I want to know how YOU think that those features that were banned would prevent anyone from going on a shooting spree.  Tell me, please. 

It's the same way banning drugs has stopped its usage all together! All they have to do is ban it in Washington and *POOF* it stops country wide! Congress can solve all our problems, just let them in to your lives people.

[finehoe]

... this is in reference to firearm registration... it is such a good solution then certainly you should be open to other registration drives... you know cause they got nothing to hide right?

What do you have to hide when you register your automobile?  What are young men hiding when they register for the draft?  Your argument is specious.