Another Shooting: San Bernardino California

[Adam White]

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/heres-a-map-of-all-the-mass-shootings-in-2015/#.VmBMKkoTC

Yawn, most of those were domestic, meaning, they could have also been committed with a kitchen knife. We'e already banned murder, people still do it. Banning guns won't stop it.

And 3D printers can print guns, shall we ban those too? What about instructions on wikipedia, let's ban that also!

Where will it stop with you nanny-state folks?

I want to know why there hasn't been any outrage over the two "mass shootings" that have happened here in the last month!

Which ones? I am not sure I read about those (assuming you were talking about Jacksonville).

[Adam White]

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/heres-a-map-of-all-the-mass-shootings-in-2015/#.VmBMKkoTC

Yawn, most of those were domestic, meaning, they could have also been committed with a kitchen knife. We'e already banned murder, people still do it. Banning guns won't stop it.

And 3D printers can print guns, shall we ban those too? What about instructions on wikipedia, let's ban that also!

Where will it stop with you nanny-state folks?

Gun control has nothing to do with the "nanny state" any more than trying to stop Pakistan or North Korea from getting nuclear weapons does.

[acme54321]

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/heres-a-map-of-all-the-mass-shootings-in-2015/#.VmBMKkoTC

Yawn, most of those were domestic, meaning, they could have also been committed with a kitchen knife. We'e already banned murder, people still do it. Banning guns won't stop it.

And 3D printers can print guns, shall we ban those too? What about instructions on wikipedia, let's ban that also!

Where will it stop with you nanny-state folks?

I want to know why there hasn't been any outrage over the two "mass shootings" that have happened here in the last month!

Which ones? I am not sure I read about those (assuming you were talking about Jacksonville).

The ones shown on that "mass shooting" map posted earlier.

[Adam White]

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/heres-a-map-of-all-the-mass-shootings-in-2015/#.VmBMKkoTC

Yawn, most of those were domestic, meaning, they could have also been committed with a kitchen knife. We'e already banned murder, people still do it. Banning guns won't stop it.

And 3D printers can print guns, shall we ban those too? What about instructions on wikipedia, let's ban that also!

Where will it stop with you nanny-state folks?

Gun control has nothing to do with the "nanny state" any more than trying to stop Pakistan or North Korea from getting nuclear weapons does.

this is not going to stop idiots from shilling for a handful of manufacturers adam.  They've been trained that product placement is literally protected in the US Constitution, and are willing to attack (and in some cases kill) anyone who suggests that a slowdown of gun sales to the country that has the most mass shootings in the world might be in order.

After all, with most countries having banned the small collection of gun models that are used to do most of these mass killings (with a corresponding cataclysmic drop in gun murders) the potential market has pretty much shrunk to Americans.

If everyone in america doesn't start buying these weapons, then who will they be sold to?

Coredumped will literally make any claim he can think of to prevent such a tragic loss of sales.

It's sad that we can't seem to be able to do anything to stop or reduce these sorts of killings. But as someone pointed out to me, America made its mind up after Sandy Hook. If you can watch your little kids being slaughtered and still not do anything about it, you're beyond help.

[BridgeTroll]

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/heres-a-map-of-all-the-mass-shootings-in-2015/#.VmBMKkoTC

Yawn, most of those were domestic, meaning, they could have also been committed with a kitchen knife. We'e already banned murder, people still do it. Banning guns won't stop it.

And 3D printers can print guns, shall we ban those too? What about instructions on wikipedia, let's ban that also!

Where will it stop with you nanny-state folks?

Gun control has nothing to do with the "nanny state" any more than trying to stop Pakistan or North Korea from getting nuclear weapons does.

this is not going to stop idiots from shilling for a handful of manufacturers adam.  They've been trained that product placement is literally protected in the US Constitution, and are willing to attack (and in some cases kill) anyone who suggests that a slowdown of gun sales to the country that has the most mass shootings in the world might be in order.

After all, with most countries having banned the small collection of gun models that are used to do most of these mass killings (with a corresponding cataclysmic drop in gun murders) the potential market has pretty much shrunk to Americans.

If everyone in america doesn't start buying these weapons, then who will they be sold to?

Coredumped will literally make any claim he can think of to prevent such a tragic loss of sales.

It's sad that we can't seem to be able to do anything to stop or reduce these sorts of killings. But as someone pointed out to me, America made its mind up after Sandy Hook. If you can watch your little kids being slaughtered and still not do anything about it, you're beyond help.

No doubt finehoe... we certainly live in a sick society.  I happen to agree with our president that something should be done... but as usual he is very limited and short sighted in his target.  I mean why limit his attention to just 1/10th of the Bill of Rights when there are 9 others that could be eradicated or modified... for example... religion seems to be a large factor in many of these incidents... perhaps registering churches, mosques, and temples... along with their associated congregants.  You know... a national registry... I mean if their not doing anything wrong... whats the harm?  Certainly our freedom of press is culpable to some degree... perhaps a national registry of ...bloggers... and "reporters"... I mean really... whats the harm?  I mean... modification or elimination just those three of the first ten amendments should do wonders...

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

No doubt finehoe... we certainly live in a sick society.  I happen to agree with our president that something should be done... but as usual he is very limited and short sighted in his target.  I mean why limit his attention to just 1/10th of the Bill of Rights when there are 9 others that could be eradicated or modified... for example... religion seems to be a large factor in many of these incidents... perhaps registering churches, mosques, and temples... along with their associated congregants.  You know... a national registry... I mean if their not doing anything wrong... whats the harm?  Certainly our freedom of press is culpable to some degree... perhaps a national registry of ...bloggers... and "reporters"... I mean really... whats the harm?  I mean... modification or elimination just those three of the first ten amendments should do wonders...

Snark....

[BridgeTroll]

No doubt finehoe... we certainly live in a sick society.  I happen to agree with our president that something should be done... but as usual he is very limited and short sighted in his target.  I mean why limit his attention to just 1/10th of the Bill of Rights when there are 9 others that could be eradicated or modified... for example... religion seems to be a large factor in many of these incidents... perhaps registering churches, mosques, and temples... along with their associated congregants.  You know... a national registry... I mean if their not doing anything wrong... whats the harm?  Certainly our freedom of press is culpable to some degree... perhaps a national registry of ...bloggers... and "reporters"... I mean really... whats the harm?  I mean... modification or elimination just those three of the first ten amendments should do wonders...

Snark....

Not really... why limit the solution to a small portion of our rights... I say look at the whole bunch of em... perhaps we are just too damn free...

[coredumped]

shocking isn't it?  It only took ten years for the country to become a daily blood bath after the ban on assualt weapons was ended.

Didn't our gun advocates here on MJ call the rest of us liberal moonbeam idiots for predicting this would happen? 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban

Well anyone that ignores facts is an idiot. FYI, most of these shootings were done under your ever-so-effective assault weapons ban:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States#1990s

INCLUDING Columbine, which took 15 and wounded 21, worse than this one.

Like I said, murder is already illegal, why do people think banning guns will stop them?

[coredumped]

Keep shilling for the manufacturers, coredumped.  Hopefully they send you bonus checks.

Sorry friend, I'm not getting paid. Nor do I own an assault rifle. I'm simply saying that banning guns won't stop murders, just like prohibition didn't stop drinking, and the war on drugs hasn't stopped people from using.

Let's put the blame where it belongs, on the human garbage that does these sick things.

People will always kill, they've killed before guns, they kill where guns are banned and they kill with things other than guns.
You won't legislate morals, but good luck trying.

Just make sure you arm the police, and take all the arms of the citizens, what could possibly go wrong there? 

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

No doubt finehoe... we certainly live in a sick society.  I happen to agree with our president that something should be done... but as usual he is very limited and short sighted in his target.  I mean why limit his attention to just 1/10th of the Bill of Rights when there are 9 others that could be eradicated or modified... for example... religion seems to be a large factor in many of these incidents... perhaps registering churches, mosques, and temples... along with their associated congregants.  You know... a national registry... I mean if their not doing anything wrong... whats the harm?  Certainly our freedom of press is culpable to some degree... perhaps a national registry of ...bloggers... and "reporters"... I mean really... whats the harm?  I mean... modification or elimination just those three of the first ten amendments should do wonders...

Snark....

Not really... why limit the solution to a small portion of our rights... I say look at the whole bunch of em... perhaps we are just too damn free...

I hear ya. 

Maybe I don't get it because I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea why people believe that more laws are going to curb lawless acts?

I mean let's use Stephen's heroin reference:

Lock a bag of heroin in your private vehicle and tell me about the unlimited rights granted to you under the fourth amendment.

Last time I checked, heroin in illegal in 50 out of 50 states, yet somehow this 'innocent' person is screaming illegal search after he gets busted for possession in this particular example. 

How did that law against illegal substances work in that case?

Point being, laws don't fix problems.  Somehow the culture has to change, and I don't think we get there by tightening the ropes. 

[Adam White]

Like I said, murder is already illegal, why do people think banning guns will stop them?

Because the evidence shows that alternative forms of murder do not increase with a reduction in firearms availability:

What happened next has been the subject of several academic studies. Violent crime and gun-related deaths did not come to an end in Australia, of course. But as the Washington Post's Wonkblog pointed out in August, homicides by firearm plunged 59 percent between 1995 and 2006, with no corresponding increase in non-firearm-related homicides.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2012/12/16/gun_control_after_connecticut_shooting_could_australia_s_laws_provide_a.html

[BridgeTroll]

Oddly... 4 pages of this thread and no pictures posted of the perpetrators yet.  No wild conjecture of political persuasions.

[Adam White]

Oddly... 4 pages of this thread and no pictures posted of the perpetrators yet.  No wild conjecture of political persuasions.

I've not seen any pictures of the perpetrators in the news. I've seen the brother-in-law or whoever he is and his wife, but not the shooters.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Oddly... 4 pages of this thread and no pictures posted of the perpetrators yet.  No wild conjecture of political persuasions.

Sorry.  My feed is full of false-flag theories, quasi-politi-gious statements and both sides of the 2nd Amendment debate.  No actual news to post.

[BridgeTroll]

No doubt finehoe... we certainly live in a sick society.  I happen to agree with our president that something should be done... but as usual he is very limited and short sighted in his target.  I mean why limit his attention to just 1/10th of the Bill of Rights when there are 9 others that could be eradicated or modified... for example... religion seems to be a large factor in many of these incidents... perhaps registering churches, mosques, and temples... along with their associated congregants.  You know... a national registry... I mean if their not doing anything wrong... whats the harm?  Certainly our freedom of press is culpable to some degree... perhaps a national registry of ...bloggers... and "reporters"... I mean really... whats the harm?  I mean... modification or elimination just those three of the first ten amendments should do wonders...

Snark....

Not really... why limit the solution to a small portion of our rights... I say look at the whole bunch of em... perhaps we are just too damn free...

I hear ya. 

Maybe I don't get it because I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea why people believe that more laws are going to curb lawless acts?

I mean let's use Stephen's heroin reference:

Lock a bag of heroin in your private vehicle and tell me about the unlimited rights granted to you under the fourth amendment.

Last time I checked, heroin in illegal in 50 out of 50 states, yet somehow this 'innocent' person is screaming illegal search after he gets busted for possession in this particular example. 

How did that law against illegal substances work in that case?

Point being, laws don't fix problems.  Somehow the culture has to change, and I don't think we get there by tightening the ropes. 

I hear you too.  My point about national registration Religions or reporters sounds silly at first.  Until you realize that is exactly what they want me and you to submit to simply for attempting to exercise a right.