ISIS and the removing of the Civil War Flags, Monuments & Names are a lot alike.

[UNFurbanist]

Not sure if removing confederate stuff is anything like ISIS but the KKK and Confederacy were pretty similar to ISIS themselves. Racial purity, religious fanaticism and brutal violence are all the same tenants of these groups. So why anyone wants to romanticize and honor them is beyond me anyways. I am all for preserving history but if some people don't want confederate monuments, symbols or names in their PUBLIC parks and institutions they are totally within their right to express that view. Actually suppressing those people's voices or concerns is in itself more ISIS like than just starting the conversation about if these monuments are relevant or wanted in 21st century America. I personally think it is an insane leap to suggest the movement in the US is anything like the brutal destruction of ISIS and actually shows how little you probably know about the group.

[The_Choose_1]

Not sure if removing confederate stuff is anything like ISIS but the KKK and Confederacy were pretty similar to ISIS themselves. Racial purity, religious fanaticism and brutal violence are all the same tenants of these groups. So why anyone wants to romanticize and honor them is beyond me anyways. I am all for preserving history but if some people don't want confederate monuments, symbols or names in their PUBLIC parks and institutions they are totally within their right to express that view. Actually suppressing those people's voices or concerns is in itself more ISIS like than just starting the conversation about if these monuments are relevant or wanted in 21st century America. I personally think it is an insane leap to suggest the movement in the US is anything like the brutal destruction of ISIS and actually shows how little you probably know about the group.

Here is what I said (I have been doing some reading of what ISIS is doing to Religious Artifacts across Iraq, Syria and other area's they have control of. They what to change History no different then removing the Civil War Flag, Monuments & Names of past Generals on Schools. Like what happen last year at N.B. FORREST high school now called Westside High School. Once we go down this dangerous path it's hard to put a stop to it. The only real difference I see is ISIS is killing more Innocent people.  So unfurbanist I was talking about how ISIS is changing history. A lot like the people that what the Civil War Flag removed & Monuments changing school names. Believing that by doing this race relations will be so much better. I also said "The only real difference I see is ISIS is killing more Innocent people.

[The_Choose_1]

Is there is a movement to rename the streets of Brooklyn, remove the monument in Hemming or changing Confederate Park's name? If so, I certainly haven't seen it. Seems like everyone in Jax has moved from the NB Forrest discussion except you.

The circle of friends you hang with have moved on but a lot of people still believe it was stupid to change the name. I know you look forward to some other outsider to get signatures to have Robert E Lee name changed etc etc. 

[thelakelander]

I actually have never given it any thought. To be honest, I don't spend much time worrying about a war that happened 150 years ago. Sorry.

[Tacachale]

Not sure if removing confederate stuff is anything like ISIS but the KKK and Confederacy were pretty similar to ISIS themselves. Racial purity, religious fanaticism and brutal violence are all the same tenants of these groups. So why anyone wants to romanticize and honor them is beyond me anyways. I am all for preserving history but if some people don't want confederate monuments, symbols or names in their PUBLIC parks and institutions they are totally within their right to express that view. Actually suppressing those people's voices or concerns is in itself more ISIS like than just starting the conversation about if these monuments are relevant or wanted in 21st century America. I personally think it is an insane leap to suggest the movement in the US is anything like the brutal destruction of ISIS and actually shows how little you probably know about the group.

Here is what I said (I have been doing some reading of what ISIS is doing to Religious Artifacts across Iraq, Syria and other area's they have control of. They what to change History no different then removing the Civil War Flag, Monuments & Names of past Generals on Schools. Like what happen last year at N.B. FORREST high school now called Westside High School. Once we go down this dangerous path it's hard to put a stop to it. The only real difference I see is ISIS is killing more Innocent people.  So unfurbanist I was talking about how ISIS is changing history. A lot like the people that what the Civil War Flag removed & Monuments changing school names. Believing that by doing this race relations will be so much better. I also said "The only real difference I see is ISIS is killing more Innocent people.

So in other words, they're not at all similar. Thanks for clarifying.

[thelakelander]

Poor Peter Dignan. If he were alive today, I wonder what he'd have to say about us going down this dangerous path of name changing?

[The_Choose_1]

Not sure if removing confederate stuff is anything like ISIS but the KKK and Confederacy were pretty similar to ISIS themselves. Racial purity, religious fanaticism and brutal violence are all the same tenants of these groups. So why anyone wants to romanticize and honor them is beyond me anyways. I am all for preserving history but if some people don't want confederate monuments, symbols or names in their PUBLIC parks and institutions they are totally within their right to express that view. Actually suppressing those people's voices or concerns is in itself more ISIS like than just starting the conversation about if these monuments are relevant or wanted in 21st century America. I personally think it is an insane leap to suggest the movement in the US is anything like the brutal destruction of ISIS and actually shows how little you probably know about the group.

Here is what I said (I have been doing some reading of what ISIS is doing to Religious Artifacts across Iraq, Syria and other area's they have control of. They what to change History no different then removing the Civil War Flag, Monuments & Names of past Generals on Schools. Like what happen last year at N.B. FORREST high school now called Westside High School. Once we go down this dangerous path it's hard to put a stop to it. The only real difference I see is ISIS is killing more Innocent people.  So unfurbanist I was talking about how ISIS is changing history. A lot like the people that what the Civil War Flag removed & Monuments changing school names. Believing that by doing this race relations will be so much better. I also said "The only real difference I see is ISIS is killing more Innocent people.

So in other words, they're not at all similar. Thanks for clarifying.

They are similar in the fact that ISIS believes if you destroy religious artifacts that this will change history. And people who want to change the name of schools, remove monuments, and remove Confederate Flags so we can all feel better about each other is pure BS! Thelakelander feels since the whites in 1959 changed the name to N.B. Forrest just to upset the Black American's. And it has nothing to do with the fact N.B. Forrest was a grand wizard of the KKK who is lake trying to fool?

[The_Choose_1]

I actually have never given it any thought. To be honest, I don't spend much time worrying about a war that happened 150 years ago. Sorry.

You can say this online but if i was in your circle of friends I bet you would sing another tune?

[thelakelander]

You really don't know my circle of friends then. We're talking football right now. Civil War stuff gets just as much play as the French and Indian War does. Crickets....

[The_Choose_1]

Poor Peter Dignan. If he were alive today, I wonder what he'd have to say about us going down this dangerous path of name changing?

Shouldn't a lot of Southern's feel great about their Southern History. Must everything be so P.C.

[Spitfire]

I'm not sure how many people are actually aware that Confederate Veterans are considered as American Veterans under law. So while I do agree that it is past time to stop honoring the Confederacy as a whole  and the removal of a number of statues/memorials is acceptable and past due, we need to be careful when it comes to Confederate Veterans.

[AKIRA]

The destruction of historical sites by ISIS, as well as other radical Muslim factions, has more to do with their beliefs about not allowing idols and such, than destroying history itself.

Changing names of schools and buildings to be more sensitive about who or what we revere is an entirely different thing.

[The_Choose_1]

I'm not sure how many people are actually aware that Confederate Veterans are considered as American Veterans under law. So while I do agree that it is past time to stop honoring the Confederacy as a whole  and the removal of a number of statues/memorials is acceptable and past due, we need to be careful when it comes to Confederate Veterans.

So the Men & women that died in the civil war should we dig up their graves? The federal government has said they will not put Confederate Flags on their graves anymore in national parks. Which I find hard to swallow. Well i can't put a lot of flags on the many graves here in North Florida but I will say a prayer for the fallen. And make sure none of the Confederate graves have been mistreated.   

[The_Choose_1]

The destruction of historical sites by ISIS, as well as other radical Muslim factions, has more to do with their beliefs about not allowing idols and such, then destroying history itself.

Changing names of schools and buildings to be more sensitive about who or what we revere is an entirely different thing.

So Akira how do you feel about Confederate monuments & Flags being removed. Is this not changing history. Do the Yankees feel they have won the war once gain 150 years later. By the removal of statues etc etc. Just like my favorite quote says "People are always shouting they want to create a better future. It's not true. The future is an apathetic void of no interest to anyone. The past is full of life, eager to irritate us, provoke and insult us, tempt us to destroy or repaint it. The only reason people want to be masters of the future is to change the past."
― Milan Kundera

[KenFSU]

N.B. Forrest name was changed because he was a Confederate general and first Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. But some people believe he had a change of heart down near the end of his life.

Fuck that.

NBF was a brutal slave trader, Grand Wizard of the Klan, and personally responsible for one of the worst war crimes in American military history. Hundreds of black soldiers gutted with bayonets after surrendering and throwing down their weapons. Historians write, "Fort Pillow was simply an orgy of death, a mass lynching to satisfy the basest of conduct – intentional murder – for the vilest of reasons – racism and personal enmity."

Seriously, get the hell out with the "change of heart" bullshit.

Lifelong racist killers don't get to have changes of heart, and there's no universe where this guy should ever have anything named in his honor.

This particular instance wasn't a case of changing history, but of overturning a gravely serious wrong.

If you're that concerned about it, name one of your cats "Nathan Bedford" and call it a day.

But don't act like the PC police are being overly sensitive for not wanting impressionable young black Americans to go to a school named after a GRAND WIZARD OF THE KLAN.