Shooting at Shanty Town

[Lunican]

Man Shot at Springfield Pub



JACKSONVILLE, FL -- A man has been taken to the hospital after a shooting at a bar.

The shooting happened at the Shanty Town Pub, located on Main Street near East 8th Street.

Police won't say whether the shooting happened inside the bar or outside.

No word on the victim's condition.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/news-article.aspx?storyid=111679

[Driven1]

then...obviously it happened INSIDE the pub.  that's scary.  wonder why the police are being so secretive on the victim's condition.  this is usually readily available information.  did any of you SFers hear the shots??

actually, i pray it was no one we know who was shot there.

[downtownparks]

It was outside the bar. One of the well known, well liked regulars walked outside. From what I have heard, it looks like he may have inadvertently broken up a robbery attempt on Shanty. He is awake, but on a respirator in critical care at Shands.

Please keep him in your thoughts and prayers...

[thelakelander]

Did they catch the shooter?

[zoo]

abandoned porch is on the back of a house that faces 7th b/w Main and Laura. it backs up to the building on the sw corner of 7th & Main that Pier Avenue Properties (Holbrook) owns. Both of these buildings are vacant, or SHOULD be.

can we stop arguing that point and move on to getting our police presence to handle the out-of-school, criminal element that is stopping back into Springfield to make trouble?

there is NO EXCUSE for the dropped-trou antics stephendare describes on the corner of 7th & Main, and as many police patrols as there are in the community, they should have been on that, or any other loiterers, like flies on _ _ _ _ before any roving groups were able to get out of control (planned robbery attempt!?!?!?!)

emergency # is 911. JSO's non-emergency # is 630-0500. USE 'EM!!!

[thebrokenforum]

This story (specifically Stephen's description of the out of control atmosphere on Main), made me think of a completely unrelated story - unless you consider how different city's deal with crime - about a sheriff in Arizona (Joe Arpaio) that is very aggressive when it comes to crime and is able to save the city money at the same time. The guy is extremely controversial with his methods but he is also extremely effective and well-liked. He has attacked high crime areas with his resources and made examples of criminals in the process. With our city's virtual anarchy on the streets, apathy of our leaders and their struggling to make ends meet funds-wise consider the following:

Changes to jail operations

Arpaio believes that inmates should be treated as harshly as legally possible to emphasize the punishment aspect of their incarceration. Thus, upon his initial election, Arpaio began instituting the controversial changes for which he would later become noted.

Arpaio began to serve inmates surplus food (mainly outdated and oxidized green bologna)[2] and limited meals to twice daily. Meal costs would be reduced to 90 cents per day; as of 2007 Arpaio states that he has managed to reduce costs to 30 cents per day. Certain food items were banned from the county jail, mainly coffee (which also reduced "coffee attacks" on guards), but later salt and pepper were removed from the jail (at a purported taxpayer savings of $20,000/year).

Arpaio banned smoking in the county jail. He also removed pornographic magazines (the ban was later upheld in court) and weightlifting equipment. Entertainment was limited to G-rated movies; the cable TV system (mandated by court order) was severely blocked by Arpaio to limit viewing to those stations Arpaio deems to be "educational", mainly Animal Planet, Disney Channel, The Weather Channel, A&E, CNN, and the local government access channel.

Arpaio also instituted a program for inmates to study while in jail and to try to recover from drug abuse. Hard Knocks High lays claim as the only approved high school program in any American jail.[citation needed] Another jail program, called ALPHA, is aimed solely at getting inmates away from drug abuse.

In October 2005, Arpaio started mandatory two-week English classes for non-English-speaking inmates at his jails. Classes last two hours a day. The curriculum comprises the three branches of government, how a bill becomes law, state government, law enforcement and court services, and jailhouse "situational" terminology. At the end of the two-week course, inmates are required to take a test to see how well they have learned about American government, the words to God Bless America, and the communication of health and safety needs. In response to critics, Arpaio responded, "These inmates happen to be incarcerated in the United States of America and in Maricopa County where I run the jails. We speak English here, not foreign languages."

In February 2007, Arpaio instituted an in-house radio station, KJOE, which broadcasts classical music, opera, Frank Sinatra hits, obscenity-free patriotic music, and educational programming, from the basement of the county jail. The station airs four hours each day, five days a week. In March 2007, the Maricopa County Jail hosted "Inmate Idol"[3], a takeoff on the popular TV show.

[edit] Chain gangs

Shortly after taking office, Arpaio reinstituted chain gangs, the controversial form of inmate labor which had been virtually eliminated in the United States.

Arpaio believes that chain gangs are not a form of punishment, but of rehabilitation. Inmates who are low-risk but with a history of jail incidents can apply to serve as free labor. Inmates work eight-hours a day, six days a week (Sundays off), mainly outside. The inmates wear traditional black-and-white striped uniforms (see below for more details) with a cap to protect against the desert heat. Inmates perform such tasks as creating fire breaks, removing trash, and burying deceased indigent persons in the county cemetery.

Arpaio also expanded the chain gang concept by instituting a female chain gang.[4] Female inmates work seven hours a day (7 AM to 2 PM), six days a week. Arpaio has also instituted the world's first all-juvenile chain gang.[5]

[edit] Pink underwear

One of Arpaio's most noted changes was the introduction of pink underwear. Arpaio noted that the traditional white underwear, labeled with Maricopa County Sheriff's Office, was being smuggled out of the jails and sold on the streets. Arpaio thus had the underwear dyed pink, believing that pink is not considered a "macho" color, and would not be stolen. Once the public learned of the change, requests came in for orders, and Arpaio began selling customized pink boxers (with the Maricopa County Sheriff's logo and "Go Joe") as a fund-raiser for sheriff's operations.

Arpaio subsequently introduced pink handcuffs among sheriff's deputies, who were taking the traditional silver-colored ones[6]. Later, when Arpaio learned that the color pink has a known psychological calming effect, he began dyeing sheets, socks, towels, and all other fabric items in pink.

The outer uniform is not pink, but traditional black-and-white. This was part of another Arpaio-instituted change. One day, allegedly, Arpaio thought he saw an inmate escapee in the then-existing sea-green inmate uniform outside the jail (it turned out to be a hospital worker in scrubs). Later, he noted that the orange uniforms of the chain gangs were similar to uniforms used by county workers (the orange being needed for safety). Believing that inmates should be easily identifiable should they escape, Arpaio re-instituted the traditional black-and-white inmate uniforms, which even with the advent of everything else being pink has not changed.

[edit] Tent City

The most noted, and controversial, of Arpaio's ideas was the set-up of "Tent City" as an extension of the Maricopa County Jail ( [show location on an interactive map] 33°25′40″N 112°07′26″W / 33.42778, -112.12389 (Maricopa County Jail)).

When Arpaio took office, inmates were routinely being released early due to overcrowding. Arpaio believed that "courts, not head count" should determine when an inmate is released, and that no officer should be deterred from making an arrest for fear that the inmate would be released due to jail overcrowding.

However, a new jail would have cost Maricopa County taxpayers around US$70 million. So instead, Arpaio obtained used tents from the military, and established Tent City in a parking lot adjacent to one of the jail facilities. As an announcement to future inmates that they should not expect early release upon overcrowding, but more tents instead, Arpaio added a (pink neon) "Vacancy" sign to the outside of Tent City. The original sign was destroyed in an inmate riot, but was quickly replaced. A second Tent City was opened in 1996 adjacent to another jail facility, and houses female inmates.

During the summer of 2003, when outside temperatures exceeded 110 °F (43 °C), which is higher than average, Arpaio said to complaining inmates, "It's 120 degrees in Iraq and the soldiers are living in tents and they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your mouths."[7] Inmates were given permission to wear only their pink underwear.

Tent City has been criticized by groups contending these are violations of human and constitutional rights[who?], but has been simultaneously praised by those favoring Arpaio's "get tough on crime" approach[who?].

In response to requests, the Sheriff's office offers group tours of its unique and controversial Tent City. In addition, Arpaio has instituted "S.M.A.R.T." Tents (Shocking Mainstream Adolescents into Resisting Temptation), a voluntary program for middle-school students who are bussed to an area adjacent to Tent City and, for the next 24 hours, are shown the reality of jail life.

[edit] Underwear march

In 2005, inmates were walked from neighboring jails to the newly opened Lower Buckeye Jail, wearing only their boxers and sandals so that they could not hide contraband during transport. This occurrence was reported widely in the media and has been referred to as the underwear march.[8]

"It's a security issue," Arpaio said. "If you let them wear their clothes, they can conceal the fake keys and everything else.[9]

Because of the media spectacle resulting from the underwear march, it would also be regarded as a perp walk.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio
http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/arpaio.asp

I do not necessarily condone everything the guy does but you have to at least admire some of it and I think some of it could be applied to Jax. It poses the question: Could Sheriff Rutherford be more aggressive with our out of control crime problem? Or is he too soft? I don't buy the whole we don't have enough cops issue. More cops are NOT going to magically solve our crime problem. You do what you can with the resources you have. It's time to get tough and get creative. We're losing this city to criminals and our "leaders" continue to look the other way. Time for a different strategy.

Just my two Lincolns...

[Driven1]

if Jennifer Holbrooke lives there at 7th b/w Main and Laura, she probably heard the shots and may have even seen something.  i wonder if she has been contacted/interviewed by police? 

did anyone see the police interviewing ANY witnesses?? 

this whole issue is sad.  DTP...please keep us updated on anything additional you hear.

[downtownparks]

No, they did not.

[downtownparks]

Will do. I know more, but dont want to post it until I hear from the people closest to the victim. I can say he is awake and in critical care at Shands.

[fsujax]

This is my roomate.  His condition is very serious. Please pray for him.

[downtownparks]

Ok, It was posted over at SPAR, so I can relay it now.

The victim, commonly known as Boston Tom (great guy, btw) walked out of the front door at shanty. They think he spooked someone getting ready to go in and rob shanty. He took three bullets, one grazed his neck, and two to the abdomen. One of the bullets that hit him in the gut lodged near his spine, possibly causing paralysis.

Please keep Tom in your well wishes as he goes through this.

[Driven1]

i hope they catch the perp who did this.  utterly ridiculous.  Fsujax, we are praying for Tom.  take care and take heart that God causes all things to work for good for those that love God.

[fsujax]

Stephen, thanks for the offering of help.  I am relieved to hear that they may have captured these thugs.

[downtownparks]

There is something you can do to help Janet so she can spend time at the hospital with Tom. She had just rescued a male red-nose pit mix who is passive/shy but sweet with lots of tail wagging. He didn’t like the crate at the vet but Janet was about to work with him on that and we don’t know how he is with cats but he gets along fine with her neighbor’s dog thru the fence. He wants human company and seems to be afraid of the dark.

    We need to find a foster home for him TONIGHT. SACARC has had him to the vet for vaccinations and deworming, etc. Our usual foster homes are full to the gills and then some. Is there anyone available or can you put out feelers to everyone you know? We don’t want to put him back out on the street and neither Janet or Tom would want that either.”
    could you have any interested parties email sacarc at sacarc@gmail.com if they can help.
    thanks!

[02roadking]

From the T/u:

http://news.jacksonville.com/justin/2008/06/17/shooting-outside-springfield-bar-leaves-one-injured/