Time to Demolish Former Courthouse Parking Lot?

[downtownbrown]

The power that is being restored to the townhomes will not go under the parking lot.  I'm sure there is some conduit down there for things like the guard shack, etc., but I doubt it's much.

[urbanlibertarian]

Thanks for the great info you've provided on this topic.

[Charles Hunter]

As I understand it, under Homeland Security rules, there are certain parts of the reports about bridges that cannot be released to the public.  I guess the fear concern is that people with bad intent could use structural info about bridges to know where to sabotage them and bring them down.

[downtownbrown]

^yes.  We don't want the terrorists to know that the parking lot is built on 50 year old piers. Ooops!

[Bridges]

As I understand it, under Homeland Security rules, there are certain parts of the reports about bridges that cannot be released to the public.  I guess the fear concern is that people with bad intent could use structural info about bridges to know where to sabotage them and bring them down.

What if that IS the terror plot?

"So you're saying we're not going to blow the bridges up?"
"No"
"Then how will we destroy them?"
"That's the best part!  WE won't have to destroy them.  In 20-30 years, they'll destroy themselves" *evil terrorist laughter*

[TheCat]

I'm jumping in without reading the whole thread...

Is it accurate that the town homes are sinking...a little bird told me the owners are contemplating lawsuits?

[downtownbrown]

I'm jumping in without reading the whole thread...

Is it accurate that the town homes are sinking...a little bird told me the owners are contemplating lawsuits?

a complete and utter fabrication.  The townhomes were strongly reinforced prior to construction.  The little bird, and I can guess who it is, probably meant to say that IF the Liberty Street debacle undermined the townhome piers in any way, obviously the owners would seek to be made whole.  If the townhomes were sinking, the framing and stucco would be severely cracking and crumbling.  That is not the case.

[PeeJayEss]

As I understand it, under Homeland Security rules, there are certain parts of the reports about bridges that cannot be released to the public.  I guess the fear concern is that people with bad intent could use structural info about bridges to know where to sabotage them and bring them down.

What if that IS the terror plot?

"So you're saying we're not going to blow the bridges up?"
"No"
"Then how will we destroy them?"
"That's the best part!  WE won't have to destroy them.  In 20-30 years, they'll destroy themselves" *evil terrorist laughter*

In that case, it's the small government crowd that doesn't want to pay taxes to fund things such as infrastructure maintenance that are the terrorists?

[Dapperdan]

Since the water is not too deep under the parking deck, could they possibly tear down the deck and fill it in with dirt to make land? I obviously have no idea who expensive that would be. I would figure we would want that land for future convention center site.

[Steve]

It's actually pretty deep there

[brucef58]

Any changes would have to accommodate access to the Hyatt and the Berkman garage.

What would it cost to build a new bulkhead between the Berkman townhouses and the Hyatt's former Daniel State Office building and filling in.

The bulkhead would cost about $1000 per linear foot.  The total cost would be about $2 to $3 million.  If we did what DIA member Melody Bishop would like to do and build a Marina, the total cost would probably be about $10 million.  It would cost several times that amount to drive pilings into the river to support any new building construction.

[downtownbrown]

^does that mean the cheapest solution is to do the bulkhead and fill? Maybe move the bulkhead closer to shore first where it isn't so deep? That would leave the option to do a marina as well.

[Lunican]

How much would it cost to leave the area barricaded?

[TheGeo35]

In this video I talked about the history, visions, and challenges that are impacting the Northbank  http://youtu.be/QFyzGzkCylU

[thelakelander]

$31 million Liberty Street project to take "a bite out of Downtown"

Full article: http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2017/02/17/31-million-liberty-street-project-to-delete-chunk.html