220 Riverside Vandalized.

[Traveller]

Didn't something similar happen to the Hilton hotel on Kings Avenue while it was under construction?  Delayed completion several months, if I recall. 

Bunch of savages in this town.

[I-10east]

I was so PO'd hearing this. So senseless...

[AuditoreEnterprise]

One began making nonsense posts on Jacksonville history, and two started chiming in with right wing comments.

I've been accused of being "right wing" (certainly more so than "left wing") but I wouldn't agree with the idea that tremendous property damage is a killing offense.  I would agree with the concept of armed guards as a detriment, though, but if they had to use their weapon, hopefully they would be trying not to kill.  (Besides, killing someone on your property causes a lot more problems in the long run.)

One of the things to consider here is, what if someone had been in one of the lower apartments, and not been able to get out of there before water flooded the area?  Yeah, it didn't happen.  Yeah, the kids expect the apartments to be empty.  But what if they aren't?  What if something happened as a result of the vandalism that led to injury or loss of life?

Not really any easy answers here.  More cops likely wouldn't do that much, either.  You'd have to have multiple police patrolling one set of apartments at all times, and no city has that many officers.  We have laws against this kind of stuff, so the best thing to do would be to find the vandals and prosecute them as strongly as possible, and also make sure people are aware of how much such acts harm the community and ask the community to help watch out for such acts.

I believe most of the units already had if not all... most of the drywall in it. And you are absolutely right someone could have been hurt had they been inside sleeping or something. It is one thing to go in and explore, but to go cause 150k in damages is ridiculous. I know they have a guard on duty, but the real question is how was it able to run for an hour without being noticed. It must have taken a while to find the water main up there. So did the guard not have instructions to check all the floors during his rounds? or did he just not make rounds at all? Maybe it is good they did not come to confrontation as we may have seen a whole different headline here. Needless to say people should have better sense than to go do something like that.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

I sincerely hope this is a hoax account...

I opened my hoax account about 4 1/2 years ago.... 

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Didn't something similar happen to the Hilton hotel on Kings Avenue while it was under construction?  Delayed completion several months, if I recall. 

Bunch of savages in this town.

It was after a Jags game, Colts game I believe... 

But no, it wasn't under construction.  That leaking main did about $1.5-2M in damage.

[WarDamJagFan]

Oh I'm sorry, did someone forget that it's perfectly legal to use lethal force to defend private property? Looks to be the case here.

I sincerely hope this is a hoax account...

If paying cops to patrol an area actually worked, then we wouldn't see such a huge continuation of violence in the Moncrief area would we? Sometimes, it's perfectly ok to let private citizens take care of private property. It's not exactly a hard concept to understand.

Apparently it is, since you think that armed citizens shooting each other is a problem that can only be solved by armed citizens shooting each other.

No, that's not my assumption for Moncrief. That area is lost due to the culture that has an iron grip around it. Most people there are not armed for personal protection. They are armed because they are involved in the drug/gang turf wars.    But for normal areas of town where crime is NOT pervasive, owning firearms and using them only when necessary is completely legal, and makes much more sense than waiting on cops. Yes, it's great having policemen, but they can't be everywhere all the time to prevent crime from happening.

Who, exactly?  Like which neighbor in Moncrief would you say has lost the 'culture'?

Have you ever been over there?  Which shop owner have you discussed this with?

And why did you suddenly switch to issues in a black neighborhood, when this is a crime in a white neighborhood, committed by white teenagers on bikes?

I guess you changed your last reply to add in that last statement, which obviously deserves a response. I did not turn this into a race issue, you just did. I gave a clear cut example - in response to your argument about just hiring police to patrol 220 Riverside - about how extra police presence doesn't always work. And the CLEAREST example of this that everyone in Jacksonville knows about is the Moncrief area. There was ZERO mention of race in my comments. This has nothing to do with race whatsoever, so please pipe down on your race baiting.

I guess you are used to debating with idiots?

So why did you switch from this white kid crime in a white neighborhood---- where you advocated shooting the teenagers, it bears noting---- to discussing the 'cultural' problems of a black neighborhood that you've never been to?

Used to debating with idiots - similar to liberals like yourself - absolutely! It's the same narrative every single time. Somehow, the liberal finds a way to spin a debate into a race issue no matter what's being discussed. Hence my lovely avatar.  And now that I thought of it, I'm surprised you didn't get upset when I mentioned the property owners should shoot the trespassers. Actually, no I'm not. Because they are white. Liberals tend to not get upset when someone mentions a white person getting shot 

[WarDamJagFan]

Oh I'm sorry, did someone forget that it's perfectly legal to use lethal force to defend private property? Looks to be the case here.

I sincerely hope this is a hoax account...

If paying cops to patrol an area actually worked, then we wouldn't see such a huge continuation of violence in the Moncrief area would we? Sometimes, it's perfectly ok to let private citizens take care of private property. It's not exactly a hard concept to understand.

Apparently it is, since you think that armed citizens shooting each other is a problem that can only be solved by armed citizens shooting each other.

No, that's not my assumption for Moncrief. That area is lost due to the culture that has an iron grip around it. Most people there are not armed for personal protection. They are armed because they are involved in the drug/gang turf wars.    But for normal areas of town where crime is NOT pervasive, owning firearms and using them only when necessary is completely legal, and makes much more sense than waiting on cops. Yes, it's great having policemen, but they can't be everywhere all the time to prevent crime from happening.

Who, exactly?  Like which neighbor in Moncrief would you say has lost the 'culture'?

Have you ever been over there?  Which shop owner have you discussed this with?

And why did you suddenly switch to issues in a black neighborhood, when this is a crime in a white neighborhood, committed by white teenagers on bikes?

Why yes, it's called operation Cease Fire. Perhaps you've heard of it? Obviously, it's just JPD being racist.

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2014-07-11/story/operation-ceasefire-rolls-another-teen-shot-jacksonville-friday

[AKIRA]

Before the point is lost, I think it would be worth mentioning that it is not legal to shoot someone for damaging the pipes of a building, even if left unrepaired more damage is likely.

There is room for protection of one's property, but this is not the wild west.  If gun's solved all problems so neatly, then the Moncrief area, as described above, would be much more peaceful.

[Live_Oak]

Sorry, I didn't see the part where there were 365 shootings last year on Moncreif.  To be honest it sounds like you are exaggerating about something in place of actually knowing what you are talking about.

But that still doesn't explain why you brought up shooting people on Moncrief in a thread about a group of white kids vandalizing an upscale apartment project in an upscale white neighborhood.....

White kids? Where did you get that info from?

[Live_Oak]

Nope, the teenagers race is not mentioned in the article.

[edjax]

Yea I certainly don't see any reference in the story linked about the race of the teens.

[edjax]

Well child you did say to 'read' the article if you want to get technical.

[Live_Oak]

Fair enough. Didn't have a chance to watch the video yet.

[RattlerGator]

Because unions are pretty powerful here?  More likely one of the local tea party people doesn't want a successful urban core.

Of course in reality, its just teens.

It pays to read the original article before commenting.

No, Stephen, it pays to have lived a life, not be a slave to a narrative for the gullible, and to know with certainty that a media article or video is not necessarily the gospel and to know with certainty that a security guard who curiously doesn't notice a damn thing on the property for a substantial time period (water main ran for damn near 90 minutes !?!) but somehow saw four WHITE teenagers running from the building? Sorry, but that guy is to be doubted.

You see, Stephen, it pays to question what we're told -- surprising that I have to remind *you* of that, isn't it !?!

Sorry that I seem to have pricked your union label but you'd be a fool to not know this type of vandalism wouldn't be the first time something happened because of some construction dispute or another, use of non-preferred labor, etc. You're not a property virgin. You know better.

Now, I don't know for certain what happened there (neither do you or any of the rest of us) and it may simply be white teenager vandalism. SARC What can you do with white kids these days, right? /SARC But I also know damn well that may not be the case. Whether you want to believe it or not. If they pull some prints or find some video that can identify the white teenagers, cool. Until then, I'll remain suspicious thank you, kindly.

[avonjax]

you know, wardamjagfan, there is a forum for this kind of pointless posting.  Have you checked out Jacksonville.com?

The other alternative is simply paying the cops, who are already armed, so that they can do their jobs without some jackass deciding that a tax break that no one notices is more important than keeping your contract with their pensions.

Oh I'm sorry, did someone forget that it's perfectly legal to use lethal force to defend private property? Looks to be the case here.

It's comments like this that fuel anti-gun sentiment. You should become pen pals with Ted Nugent. He would love you.