Developer's proposal for Berkman II may include apartments and retail

Started by thelakelander, July 30, 2014, 11:03:17 AM

pierre

One thing I find funny are the people that own the little crap corner lots trying to get people to fork over 5-10 bucks on the weekend to park when they can use the meter spots for free.

edjax

Fine, just seemed since this thread is about a specific potential project and some comments in said thread about not needing more parking I just assumed the discussion was there was no need for a parking garage should this development move forward.

jaxjaguar

I would be 100% on board with no parking garage if the city owned and maintained some of those lots and set up long term parking meters on them ($2.50 a day/free weekends like the long term meters), but the real problem lies with the land squatters sitting on those lots which are severely under-kept and over priced.


My proposal is for the city to buy back some of this land and uses it as cheap parking to kill off the squatters and force them to sell or be fined for not keeping their lots in shape. Detroit did something similar to this with the run down houses and it worked.

Non-RedNeck Westsider

Quote from: jaxjaguar on July 30, 2014, 03:56:08 PM
I would be 100% on board with no parking garage if the city owned and maintained some of those lots and set up long term parking meters on them ($2.50 a day/free weekends like the long term meters), but the real problem lies with the land squatters sitting on those lots which are severely under-kept and over priced.


My proposal is for the city to buy back some of this land and uses it as cheap parking to kill off the squatters and force them to sell or be fined for not keeping their lots in shape. Detroit did something similar to this with the run down houses and it worked.

I know it's hard, but try an picture another 'program' that has had practically zero follow through...

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2010-dec-downtowns-blighted-surface-parking-lots-under-fire#.U9lOZ_ldXT8
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edjax

^^ yea agree on that. I did see a grass lot close to new court house this morning when drove by that looks like it may at least be getting paved. At least I assume that is what the activity there was about.

edjax

I mean on this specific project I think you are going to have to have a parking garage. The story indicated the tower would be high market rate rentals.  I seriously doubt anyone is going to pay high market rate without dedicated close by and safe parking. 

thelakelander

Quote from: edjax on July 30, 2014, 03:43:42 PM
Fine, just seemed since this thread is about a specific potential project and some comments in said thread about not needing more parking I just assumed the discussion was there was no need for a parking garage should this development move forward.

This thread is just pure speculation. At this time, there's no official project far enough along to define what the ultimate parking needs will be.
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edjax

??  Yes it is speculation but I guess seems to make sense our discussion at least is in line with what they are speculating.  Otherwise the comments can just be about anything and that kind of defeats the purpose of a specific thread on a specific proposal in my opinion. 

thelakelander

Perhaps, I've not been as clear as I could have been in the previous responses.

Since we don't know the actual number of proposed residential units, square footage of retail space, etc., we can't determine parking needs at this point.  So there's no way to answer the question below at this point:

Quote from: edjax on July 30, 2014, 03:21:00 PM
How much of the above would be available to residents of the building?

If the proposal materializes into a more detailed project, this information will become clear.

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John P

Well lets just keep our fingers crossed this actually happens

edjax

I will not usher another word about parking. Everyone else make note, that includes you Stephen. As Mr Lakelander notes not enough is known to speak on that aspect of this project. 

Tacachale

Sigh. I only mentioned parking in the first place because Gulliford mentioned the garage as being mixed-use from the get go. I think that's refreshing; typically, our leadership bends over backward to allow developers build them without any mixed use element, as we saw with the Parador garage. Clearly we won't know what how things actually develop until a full project is announced.
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thelakelander

Quote from: edjax on July 30, 2014, 05:36:24 PM
I will not usher another word about parking. Everyone else make note, that includes you Stephen. As Mr Lakelander notes not enough is known to speak on that aspect of this project. 

Don't take it personal. :) Everyone can speak on whatever they wish.  Nevertheless, without any details, as Tacachale mentioned, we won't known how things actually develop until a project is announced.
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downtownbrown

Quote from: edjax on July 30, 2014, 04:05:21 PM
I mean on this specific project I think you are going to have to have a parking garage. The story indicated the tower would be high market rate rentals.  I seriously doubt anyone is going to pay high market rate without dedicated close by and safe parking.

I agree.  I doubt anyone would have purchased in Berkman 1 or the Townhouses without a parking space as part of the package.