Anyone know what is going on here?

[sheclown]

  2014-49
   

ORD Apv Proposed Large Scale Revision to FLUM Series of 2030 Comp Plan, Propty on R G Skinner Parkway bet Baymeadows Rd & Philips Hwy (12.38± Acres) - LDR to CGC - Estuary Corp. (Appl# 2013I-001) (Dist 13-Gulliford) (Gabriel) (LUZ)

LUZ PH 2/19/14

Public Hearing Pursuant to Sec 163.3184, F.S. & Chapt 650, Pt 4, Ord Code - 2/11/14 & 2/25/14


   

1. 1/28/2014 CO  Introduced: LUZ


   



  2014-50
   

ORD Apv Proposed Large Scale Revision to FLUM Series of 2030 Comp Plan, Propty on R G Skinner Parkway bet Baymeadows Rd & Philips Hwy (87.85± Acres) - CGC to LDR - Estuary Corp. (Appl# 2013I-002) (Dist 13-Gulliford) (Gabriel) (LUZ)

LUZ PH 2/19/14

Public Hearing Pursuant to Sec 163.3184, F.S. & Chapt 650, Pt 4, Ord Code - 2/11/14 & 2/25/14


   

1. 1/28/2014 CO  Introduced: LUZ


   



  2014-51
   

ORD Apv Proposed Large Scale Revision to FLUM Series of 2030 Comp Plan, Propty on Philips Hwy bet Baymeadows Rd & Philips Hwy (45.54± Acres) - LDR & RPI to CGC - Estuary Corp. (Appl# 2013I-003) (Dist 13-Gulliford) (Gabriel) (LUZ)

LUZ PH 2/19/14

Public Hearing Pursuant to Sec 163.3184, F.S. & Chapt 650, Pt 4, Ord Code - 2/11/14 & 2/25/14


   

1. 1/28/2014 CO  Introduced: LUZ


   



  2014-52
   

ORD Apv Proposed Large Scale Revision to FLUM Series of 2030 Comp Plan, Propty on Philips Highway bet Baymeadows Rd & Philips Hwy (67.42± Acres) - RPI to CGC - Estuary Corp. (Appl# 2013I-004) (Dist 13-Gulliford) (Gabriel) (LUZ)

LUZ PH 2/19/14

Public Hearing Pursuant to Sec 163.3184, F.S. & Chapt 650, Pt 4, Ord Code - 2/11/14 & 2/25/14


   

1. 1/28/2014 CO  Introduced: LUZ


   



  2014-53
   

ORD Apv Proposed Large Scale Revision to FLUM Series of 2030 Comp Plan, Propty on Philips Hwy bet I-295 & Philips Hwy (23.19± Acres) - RPI to CGC - Westland Timber, LLC. (Appl# 2013I-005) (Dist 13-Gulliford) (Gabriel) (LUZ)

LUZ PH 2/19/14

Public Hearing Pursuant to Sec 163.3184, F.S. & Chapt 650, Pt 4, Ord Code - 2/11/14 & 2/25/14


   

1. 1/28/2014 CO  Introduced: LUZ


   



  2014-54
   

ORD Apv Proposed Large Scale Revision to FLUM Series of 2030 Comp Plan, Propty on Philips Hwy bet I-295 & Philips Hwy (122.12± Acres) - BP to LI - D.D.I., Inc. (Appl# 2013I-006) (Dist 13-Gulliford) (Gabriel) (LUZ)

LUZ PH 2/19/14

Public Hearing Pursuant to Sec 163.3184, F.S. & Chapt 650, Pt 4, Ord Code - 2/11/14 & 2/25/14


   

1. 1/28/2014 CO  Introduced: LUZ


   





  2014-55
   

ORD Apv Proposed Large Scale Revision to FLUM Series of 2030 Comp Plan, Propty on Philips Hwy bet Baymeadows Rd & Philips Hwy (135.21± Acres) - AGR-II & AGR-III to LDR - Estuary Corp. (Appl# 2013I-007) (Dist 13-Gulliford) (Gabriel) (LUZ)

LUZ PH 2/19/14

Public Hearing Pursuant to Sec 163.3184, F.S. & Chapt 650, Pt 4, Ord Code - 2/11/14 & 2/25/14


   

1. 1/28/2014 CO  Introduced: LUZ


   



  2014-56
   

ORD Apv Proposed Large Scale Revision to FLUM Series of 2030 Comp Plan, Propty on Philips Hwy bet I-295 & Philips Hwy (68.31± Acres) - BP to CGC - Westland Timber, LLC. (Appl# 2013I-008) (Dist 13-Gulliford)) (Gabriel) (LUZ)

LUZ PH 2/19/14

Public Hearing Pursuant to Sec 163.3184, F.S. & Chapt 650, Pt 4, Ord Code - 2/11/14 & 2/25/14


   

1. 1/28/2014 CO  Introduced: LUZ

[CityLife]

I actually started to post about this the other day, but got interrupted and didn't finish my post.

Estuary Corp owns almost 20,000 acres east of 295, south of JTB, west of the Intercoastal, and north of Nocatee. I knew they would make some big moves with that land and have posted about it before, but didn't think they would start so quickly. If I get some time later, I'll try to explain what they are doing.

[thelakelander]

This is the development that has CM Bishop pushing to change how mobility fee money is used. I believe they want their mobility fees to be spent on an arterial road through their property instead of having it go to a priority project in their zone.

Also, you could see this coming a mile away, back in the days when 9B was unfunded and still on paper. Now that 9B and I-295 East Beltway are up and running, all that formerly cheap and inaccessible land is prime for commercial development. It was no coincidence that an overpass over nothing was worked into 9B between Philips and I-295. That's where the interchange for the new road will be.

One of these days, I'd wish we'd just admit, new arterials on the fringe aren't to relieve congestion. Their real purpose is to encourage development.

[icarus]

One of these days, I'd wish we'd just admit, new arterials on the fringe aren't to relieve congestion. Their real purpose is to encourage development.

+1

[CityLife]

For sake of comparison, the Estuary Corp land is almost 20,000 acres. Nocatee is only 13,000 acres.

Estuary Corp's land is about 30 square miles. The City of Miami only has 35 square miles of land area (not counting water). Large projects like this don't go unnoticed in cities with legitimate media.

[CityLife]

Here are the Planning Departments staff reports on the Comp Plan Amendments. They start on page 199 and go for another couple hundred pages. The Planning Department recommended denial and it went to Planning Commission last Thursday, but I'm not sure what happened there.

http://www.coj.net/departments/planning-and-development/docs/current-planning-division/planning-commission-docs/2014/2014-staff-reports/books/pc-book-2-13-14a.aspx

[BoldBoyOfTheSouth]

One of these days, I'd wish we'd just admit, new arterials on the fringe aren't to relieve congestion. Their real purpose is to encourage development.

THANK YOU! Exactly

I'm sure if they were honest about this several years ago there would not have been much push back.

[BoldBoyOfTheSouth]

For sake of comparison, the Estuary Corp land is almost 20,000 acres. Nocatee is only 13,000 acres.

Estuary Corp's land is about 30 square miles. The City of Miami only has 35 square miles of land area (not counting water). Large projects like this don't go unnoticed in cities with legitimate media.

Northeast Florida would not have nearly as many sever problems it does if only our local media was turkey independent of big business and if cur media had world class investigative journalism.

[BoldBoyOfTheSouth]

It's been awhile since I looked at Google Maps/Earth but is there an airfield hiding in plain site near JTB and the Intracoastal Waterway just beyond the grove of a long leaf pine farm?

[pierre]

It's been awhile since I looked at Google Maps/Earth but is there an airfield hiding in plain site near JTB and the Intracoastal Waterway just beyond the grove of a long leaf pine farm?

Yes. It's a private strip that has been there for a while.

[BoldBoyOfTheSouth]

Everybody except the initial developers will be hurt over several decades, maybe even a century by congested roads and future expensive taxpayer fixes if they are not properly designed grid systems in these new developments.

Whether it's Nocoatee, Julington Creek Plantation and massive amounts of subdivisions on the Southside of Jacksonville and northern St Johns County and also The St Johns Town Center and many office complexes such as various Deerwoods with not enough lanes for the prospective traffic and often with just one or two ways in and out which causes massive traffic during commenting bad lunch hours, more time we spend in our cars in traffic driving around all of these poorly planned developments.

More access roads with side walks and bike lanes will not only make our city more bike/ped friendly, help with public transit routs but most importantly, so we are not forever stick lining up way back trying to get in and out of our offices and homes and stores. Emergency vehicles and hurricane evacuations will also flow more smoothly.

History has proven that when we allow developers to only put in a small two lane (4 on some) with only one or possible two exits for five and ten thousand home developments and office complexes where tens of thousands of people need to get in and out of during commuting time and only two entrances to the St Johns Town Center, we all spend too much of our days in commenting hell because developers were not require to build enough roads with enough lanes.

All of northwest St Johns County and soon a hugely developed Nocotee and mid St Johns County all go to and from work either on Phillips Hwy, San Jose or 95.

All of our traffic headaches because developers were allowed to build all of these homes and offices with not a care that everybody will all converge on one of three roads all at the same time every morning and evening.

This us after the extra ten to fifteen minutes of everybody in Julington Creek Plantation taking just to get out of the plantation to merge with other commuters before even getting on Phillips or 95 north.

[BoldBoyOfTheSouth]

It's been awhile since I looked at Google Maps/Earth but is there an airfield hiding in plain site near JTB and the Intracoastal Waterway just beyond the grove of a long leaf pine farm?

Yes. It's a private strip that has been there for a while.

Since this private airstrip is grandfathered as a legal airfield, can they just have slight regulatory changes and all of a sudden is a busy airport renting handing rights to private jets or commercial transport?



All of that land near the rich in Ponte Vedra probably will prevent transport traffic for at least a generation but after that , who knows.

Those lots of corporate jets or small two seater aircraft landing just minutes of beach mansions would be very enticing.

[CityLife]

All of northwest St Johns County and soon a hugely developed Nocotee and mid St Johns County all go to and from work either on Phillips Hwy, San Jose or 95.

I've been told before that the Estuary Corp land will likely connect from the Baymeadows/295/9B area to the Northern portion of Nocatee at some point as well.

[L.P. Hovercraft]

This is the development that has CM Bishop pushing to change how mobility fee money is used. I believe they want their mobility fees to be spent on an arterial road through their property instead of having it go to a priority project in their zone.

Trying to wrap my head around this here potential, dare I say it, boondoggle...if a private developer is willing to risk their own money to develop virgin land and thus fully reap any financial benefits in the future, shouldn't that developer--regardless of any mobility plan fee incurred--also foot the bill for any infrastructure that needs to be built for the project to be feasible rather than going to the public mobility plan fund that was created to offset this type of suburban sprawl in the first place?

Is this the type of new road project originally envisioned as being funded by the mobility plan? 
And would this new arterial road get priority funding before some other approved project already in the pipeline, i.e. if this happens, will Jacksonville ever really get a streetcar, separated bike paths, even middle of the street pedestrian crossing signs at dangerous intersections, etc. or would any future mobility plan fees just end up getting "conveniently" funnelled into these kinds of business-as-usual projects?

[thelakelander]

This is the development that has CM Bishop pushing to change how mobility fee money is used. I believe they want their mobility fees to be spent on an arterial road through their property instead of having it go to a priority project in their zone.

Trying to wrap my head around this here potential, dare I say it, boondoggle...if a private developer is willing to risk their own money to develop virgin land and thus fully reap any financial benefits in the future, shouldn't that developer--regardless of any mobility plan fee incurred--also foot the bill for any infrastructure that needs to be built for the project to be feasible rather than going to the public mobility plan fund that was created to offset this type of suburban sprawl in the first place?

In theory...yes. However, there could be situations where a new arterial in the right place could alleviate congestion issues on another. The devil is in the details.

Is this the type of new road project originally envisioned as being funded by the mobility plan?

No.

And would this new arterial road get priority funding before some other approved project already in the pipeline,

Yes. The developer would have the possibility of spending their mobility fee money on funding transportation improvements within their own developments.

i.e. if this happens, will Jacksonville ever really get a streetcar, separated bike paths, even middle of the street pedestrian crossing signs at dangerous intersections, etc. or would any future mobility plan fees just end up getting "conveniently" funnelled into these kinds of business-as-usual projects?

Maybe, maybe not. We could get a few bike paths out of the deal but we'd probably need additional funding from other sources for major mobility plan projects.