Brooklyn Retail Project Revised Again

[I-10east]

I believe the only trees to be planted are palm trees and crape myrtles.

[fieldafm]

I'm well aware of my spelling and consider them crap.

[I-10east]

^^^Gotcha.

[JaxNative68]

Unless you are expecting the majority of the building users to arrive to these properties by boat, the true front should be the address of the building on Riverside Ave with building access to the riverwalk/waterfront side. Besides, dual fronting buildings are designed all of the time.  With the grade difference from the river to Riverside Ave it can be done quite easy and still manage to get your required parking sandwiched between both entry points.  If the developers are insisting on having large plazas on these sites, why can't they be on the waterfront side rather than the street side? A plaza would be a lot more enjoyable adjacent to the river, which would also provide the building a better view of the river and surrounding area while developing an urban feel of Riverside Avenue.  This is Jacksonville, not Venice.

[Kay]

Construction has already started. The time for site design changes was when the DDRB reviewed and approved it last year. With that said, the original plan they had was a lot worse. CVS dropping out, resulted in several restaurants/storefronts being moved closer to Riverside Avenue.

Why would it be too late to talk about canopies, shade trees, etc.?

[thelakelander]

Well, it's not if we're talking about having the public pay for them on adjacent public ROW. DDRB has already above their concept and building permits for that concept have been granted. So COJ can't force them to change now.

[thelakelander]

BTW, good points, JaxNative68.

[Kay]

Well, it's not if we're talking about having the public pay for them on adjacent public ROW. DDRB has already above their concept and building permits for that concept have been granted. So COJ can't force them to change now.

Not talking about COJ forcing them.  Talking about concerned citizens asking for a meeting and suggesting canopies, etc.  You never know--they might be open to it.

[MEGATRON]

Was shocked to find out posters in this thread hated the site plan.  SHOCKED.  That hardly ever happens.

[thelakelander]

Good luck.

[thelakelander]

I just think the discussion is about a year or two too late to the party for these developments. The Brooklyn projects will already have awnings and trees, so what exactly is trying to be accomplished at this point?

The largest difference one could make with the shopping center is to move all the buildings up onto the street. However, that ship sailed months ago. The buildings are approved, permitted and under construction.

Shoppes of Riverside









Brooklyn Riverside (Apartments going up behind the shopping center)




220 Riverside

[thelakelander]

^So, you're talking about addressing the public realm and not modifying the actual structures already permitted and being built? That conversation has been going on for a while (context sensitive streets, for example). With Killingsworth moving on, Council continuing to torpedo the mobility plan, and COJ unwilling to modify roadway design standards, things have been slow to change. This is a much larger issue than Brooklyn, but go for it. Someone has too.