We Love Avondale Attempts to Ruin Christmas Event

[If_I_Loved_you]

cline, no new restaurants or nightclubs can open basically.

IILY.

Its been two years and you are listing Jim's achievements as "He got elected"?

What was his vote on the equality ordinance?

What was his vote on the mobility moratorium which would have directly fixed the problems he is now trying to fight for in terms of parking and traffic in the area?

What jobs programs has he fought for?

What funding for public parks?

Did he help find money for the Cummer?

How about propose a transportation solution for Riverside Avondale?

Has he asked for a committee to study the various arguments and options available?  (speaking of which, isnt this what he claimed that the 'moratorium' would give the community time to do?---and yet in the past 6 months he hasnt had a single public meeting asking for the merchants, the land owners, the transportation experts or the planners to have so much as a cup of coffee over the matter)

Compare that to what Lori Boyer has managed to do since her legislative triumph in 'getting elected for the first time'.

Hell,  even Denise Lee, Don Redman, and Bill Gulliford managed to propose legislation to completely burn Hemming Park to the ground in the same amount of time.

Has Jim Love defended the interests of the businesses in the area?

And don't get me wrong, I really do like Jim Love, and his son who is a member of this forum as people, I'm just responding to this absurd claim of yours that getting elected is an achievement for the community or the idea that completely bypassing the planning process or the legal method of zoning by creating a phony 'moratorium' is anything other than bad precedent and ham handed handling of the problem is incorrect.

Thank You Stephen

[iluvolives]

cline, no new restaurants or nightclubs can open basically.

Didn't Love allow "special permission" for Dahila's and Salty Fig to be opened...since he deemed them worthy? It seems at this points its only holding up establishments that serve pizza in Avondale.

[cline]

^That was kind of my point.  The moratorium was a bogus measure to try and halt MM.  And it's coming from someone who owns a business in RA.  Strange.  And by the way, getting elected to City Council in Jax is simply a popularity contest with no basis in actual qualifications and/or merit.  Basically a Homecoming King/Queen for adults.  Just look at some of the individuals sitting on CC right now- not exactly the best and the brightest.  At any rate, this anti-MM bullsh!t from the WLA crowd needs to come to an end.  Its not healthy.  The neighborhood needs to focus its attention on other, more pressing, concerns.  Not shutting out a pizza joint.

[Tacachale]

What was his vote on the equality ordinance?

Jim Love voted for the HRO.

[Tacachale]

a point in his favor then.

except that he didnt really.

He voted for a potential substitute amendment which failed, and then he voted against the ordinance.

That's true of almost all of the supporters. The version he voted for was the one that would have passed without Judas Gaffney being persuaded to flip. Love was one of the good guys on the HRO.

[Tacachale]

Then why didnt he vote for the bill?

I think either you or I, if we had been in his place, would have voted for the bill anyways.

It would have been an easy gesture of support.

I think its more correct to say that he tried to be the good guy.  But in the end,---when it counted--- he just wasn't.

I think Love - and the others - were just blindsided by Gaffney's flipping. At any rate the unamended bill was never going to pass even if Gaffney hadn't pulled a Ganelon. But yes, it still would have been a nice show of support, and yes, I'm sure you and I would absolutely have voted for it anyway.

[ChriswUfGator]

Then why didnt he vote for the bill?

I think either you or I, if we had been in his place, would have voted for the bill anyways.

It would have been an easy gesture of support.

I think its more correct to say that he tried to be the good guy.  But in the end,---when it counted--- he just wasn't.

I think Love - and the others - were just blindsided by Gaffney's flipping. At any rate the unamended bill was never going to pass even if Gaffney hadn't pulled a Ganelon. But yes, it still would have been a nice show of support, and yes, I'm sure you and I would absolutely have voted for it anyway.

Hogwash, it was strategy.

The initial ordinance tracked every other major city's HRO, that's the one he voted against, deciding instead to support a watered-down-to-the-point-of-uselessness version that was guaranteed to make neither side happy. That Gaffney happened to be the swing vote really has nothing to do with it, although I'll admit it's a uniquely jacksonville proposition to have a coincilmember try to avoid responsibility by saying he was confused as to what he was voting on. But frankly most people are glad the second bill didn't pass, since the first one should have, and for the folks who were pushing this issue it would become that much harder to get it through the next time, since they'd face the "why do we need another one of these?" arguments.

Welcome to politics.

Quit apologizing for Jim Love, he showed his colors and made his choices on that one loud and clear, and his voice was well-heard by half the neighborhood, who from the grumblings you hear wouldn't vote for him to be dog catcher at this point. The whole gay rights thing seems awfully stupid to most A) Educated people, B) Most people with money, and C) (obviously) Gay people, all three categories of which seem to be rather prevalent around here. Talk about misunderstanding your constituency.

[Tacachale]

I'm not apologizing for anyone, I'm pointing out that Love did vote for the version of the ordinance that would have passed, and was just one of 17 who voted against the version that wasn't going to pass. That qualifies as being one of the good guys here.

[ChriswUfGator]

I'm not apologizing for anyone, I'm pointing out that Love did vote for the version of the ordinance that would have passed, and was just one of 17 who voted against the version that wasn't going to pass. That qualifies as being one of the good guys here.

You can't say you're not being an apologist, then go right back to doing it. The fact that there's somebody somehwere who's more of a racist/homophobe/whatever doesn't make anyone a good guy. Come on, that's silly and you know it.

[spuwho]

I'm not apologizing for anyone, I'm pointing out that Love did vote for the version of the ordinance that would have passed, and was just one of 17 who voted against the version that wasn't going to pass. That qualifies as being one of the good guys here.

Thats not a very high bar then, and it speaks to why we all need to work as hard as possible to replace most of this City Council and elect people that actually represent a new Jacksonville.

Did I read correctly in another thread that you were in fact running for an "at large" council position?

[sheclown]

I'm not apologizing for anyone, I'm pointing out that Love did vote for the version of the ordinance that would have passed, and was just one of 17 who voted against the version that wasn't going to pass. That qualifies as being one of the good guys here.

Thats not a very high bar then, and it speaks to why we all need to work as hard as possible to replace most of this City Council and elect people that actually represent a new Jacksonville.

Did I read correctly in another thread that you were in fact running for an "at large" council position?

My plan is to run against Kim Daniels who occupies an At Large Council Position.

Without spilling the beans, there are very serious conversations happening right now to run someone against Jim Love as well.

awesome.

[funguy]

Good old Harry Truman was correct when he observed, "My choices in life were either to be a piano player in a whore house or a politician. And to tell the truth, there's hardly any difference!