Bill Nelson Right on Healthcare 4 All: 91,000 Americans won't Die Unnecessarily!

[FayeforCure]

Anti-Obamacare ads are running against Bill Nelson here in Jax BUT:

Conservatives around the world are in support of Obamacare:

In Germany, people are baffled by how hostile a country as religious as the United States can be to the principle of mandatory healthcare insurance. Not even conservatives question the system, which businesspeople say gives Europe's largest economy a competitive advantage.


As the United States Supreme Court considers whether requiring people to have health insurance is unconstitutional, Germans are bewildered as to why so many Americans appear to be against universal coverage.


They also question the continued portrayal of US President Barack Obama and his health reform backers as socialists and communists, noting that healthcare was introduced in Germany in the 19th century by Otto von Bismarck, who was definitely not a leftist, and is supported by conservative and pro-business politicians today.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-attitude-toward-barack-obama-s-healthcare-reform-a-832002.html

Of course we all know the anti-Obamacare sentiments are just political game-playing at home to brainwash the masses is favor of our deadly for-profit healthcare machine.

The US ranks last out of 16 industrialized countries on a measure of deaths that might have been prevented with timely and effective care, according to a study released last year by the Commonwealth Fund, a private foundation that supports independent healthcare research. Germany was in ninth place, according to the "National Scorecard on US Health Performance."

Premature death rates are 68 percent higher in the US than in the best-performing countries. As many as 91,000 fewer people would die prematurely if the US could achieve the leading country rate, the report said. Instead, the study notes that "access to healthcare significantly eroded since 2006," with more than 81 million working-age adults -- some 44 percent of those aged 19 to 64 -- uninsured or underinsured in 2010. This was an increase of 35 percent from 2003 levels.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-attitude-toward-barack-obama-s-healthcare-reform-a-832002.html

[avonjax]

These ads are sleazy and deceptive. They are there to scare the elderly. The Republicans are desperate to get Bill Nelson out of office. Did you see the Pat Boone ads? They disgusted me. The same exact ad was used in several states. The difference is they changed Bill Nelson to whatever Democrat Senator they want out. Why are people outraged when a conservative celebrity becomes a partisan political tool. When Bruce Springsteen voices his views the right  screams he should just sing. But did you hear a single one denounce Ted Nugent? It works both ways everyone.

[jerry cornwell]

  Bill Nelson is a great senator. I hope Floridians see of this for what it is. Fear mongering and lies in the vein, as avonjax points out, that they interchange throughout the country. Time and time again, Senator Nelson has fought for the best interests of our seniors and all Floridians.

[mtraininjax]

Conservatives around the world are in support of Obamacare

Conservatives, LOL!!! More like Socialists around the world support his policies.

[fsquid]

If our healthcare is so "deadly" why do foreigners pay their way to come here for some treatments?  The problem is that healthcare is tied to employment in this country.

[FayeforCure]

If our healthcare is so "deadly" why do foreigners pay their way to come here for some treatments?  The problem is that healthcare is tied to employment in this country.

Another one of those unsubstantiated claims!

It is rather the other way around..........Americans engage in Medical tourism to places like Tailand and India so they benefit from quality low cost medical care. Even American Insurance companies will pay for Americans to travel overseas as it saves them money. This claim at least can be substantiated if you are interested.

[fsquid]

I'm not interested at all to be honest Faye.  I pretty much agree with the article posted. While I would prefer the French model, I would be perfectly happy for us to adopt the German version of the Bismarck universal-insurance approach to health care. What I don't want is UK, or even worse Canada, and that's the direction that the democrats seem to want to take us.

The mandate is probably the BEST part of Obamacare. It's a whole lot better than most of what else is in those 2000-plus pages, but if it's the only way to get rid of the bad, then the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Universal basic coverage, funded by a consumption tax, with everyone free to supplement at will, and employers able to offer supplemental insurance as an employment benefit, would address all the issues about as effectively as possible, and would make our businesses far more competitive in the global economy.

Germany couldn't believe the outrage over Hitler, either.

[FayeforCure]

I'm not interested at all to be honest Faye.  I pretty much agree with the article posted. While I would prefer the French model, I would be perfectly happy for us to adopt the German version of the Bismarck universal-insurance approach to health care. What I don't want is UK, or even worse Canada, and that's the direction that the democrats seem to want to take us.

The mandate is probably the BEST part of Obamacare. It's a whole lot better than most of what else is in those 2000-plus pages, but if it's the only way to get rid of the bad, then the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Very well said.......and I wish conservatives wouldn't treat universal healthcare as one and the same........as if it would always be UK or Spain style.

You might be surprised about the Canadian system:

Most doctors are self-employed private entities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_(Canada)

[FayeforCure]

Conservatives around the world are in support of Obamacare

Conservatives, LOL!!! More like Socialists around the world support his policies.

mtraininjax, you mean to say right wing parties do not exist in Europe? That right wing parties are unique to America only?

It is human nature to be polarized.......even in Europe. BUT not on Universal Healthcare..........there, there is a civilized understanding of a basic human condition that should be met in a civilized society.

[fsquid]

I'm not interested at all to be honest Faye.  I pretty much agree with the article posted. While I would prefer the French model, I would be perfectly happy for us to adopt the German version of the Bismarck universal-insurance approach to health care. What I don't want is UK, or even worse Canada, and that's the direction that the democrats seem to want to take us.

The mandate is probably the BEST part of Obamacare. It's a whole lot better than most of what else is in those 2000-plus pages, but if it's the only way to get rid of the bad, then the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Very well said.......and I wish conservatives wouldn't treat universal healthcare as one and the same........as if it would always be UK or Spain style.

You might be surprised about the Canadian system:

Most doctors are self-employed private entities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_(Canada)

Canada is single-payer and in my opinion it is the worst since it is basically illegal to have private insurance there.  I know that they might be changing that in the future because single payer is starting to fail to meet the needs of its citizens.

I like the French system the best because you have a "free" side that covers every body. You move over to the "pay" system when you don't want to put up with the wait on the "free" side. That makes the "pay" system relatively cheap, at least by our standards, since you don't use it often.

[jerry cornwell]

  My only experience with the Canadian system was last year when I met some Canadians abroad and they swore by their system. They condemned our system ( which most Americans do, too) and enthusiastically endorsed the Presidents plan. I was amazed at how, in their own words, they actually were more attuned to American politics than their own. I sure, perhaps, because he was employed by Ford engineering.

[FayeforCure]

I'm not interested at all to be honest Faye.  I pretty much agree with the article posted. While I would prefer the French model, I would be perfectly happy for us to adopt the German version of the Bismarck universal-insurance approach to health care. What I don't want is UK, or even worse Canada, and that's the direction that the democrats seem to want to take us.

The mandate is probably the BEST part of Obamacare. It's a whole lot better than most of what else is in those 2000-plus pages, but if it's the only way to get rid of the bad, then the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Very well said.......and I wish conservatives wouldn't treat universal healthcare as one and the same........as if it would always be UK or Spain style.

You might be surprised about the Canadian system:

Most doctors are self-employed private entities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_(Canada)

Canada is single-payer and in my opinion it is the worst since it is basically illegal to have private insurance there.  I know that they might be changing that in the future because single payer is starting to fail to meet the needs of its citizens.

I like the French system the best because you have a "free" side that covers every body. You move over to the "pay" system when you don't want to put up with the wait on the "free" side. That makes the "pay" system relatively cheap, at least by our standards, since you don't use it often.

Actually many people have the same common misunderstanding of the Canadian system. What you describe of the French system is ALSO true in Canada:

Some 75% of Canadians have some form of supplementary private health insurance; many of them receive it through their employers.[37] There are also large private entities that can buy priority access to medical services in Canada, such as WCB in BC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada#Private_sector

BTW this is a prime example of how easy and successful Republican deception and brainwashing is about the so-called perils of single payer healthcare systems.

The consumers of single-payer healthcare systems wouldn't want to trade their system for ours.

[jerry cornwell]

^ This is where we need to be!

[mtraininjax]

that should be met in a civilized society.

At what Cost Faye? Should we sacrifice generations to come of their ability to earn a living wage, all so we can provide coverage to 10 million Americans who cant or wont get coverage now? Why is it that the have-nots always want an LBJ or FDR in the White House to run to and complain that life is not fair?

Guess what, Life is Not Fair, and as a country, nothing in our Constitution declares that FREE medical coverage is available to all who consume oxygen in the USA.

[FayeforCure]

that should be met in a civilized society.

At what Cost Faye? Should we sacrifice generations to come of their ability to earn a living wage, all so we can provide coverage to 10 million Americans who cant or wont get coverage now? Why is it that the have-nots always want an LBJ or FDR in the White House to run to and complain that life is not fair?

Guess what, Life is Not Fair, and as a country, nothing in our Constitution declares that FREE medical coverage is available to all who consume oxygen in the USA.

Are you saying western European countries like Germany are not competitive? They do not earn a living wage in Germany? How do they pay for it and we can't?