Is Riverside/Avondale Ready For Mellow Mushroom?

[Captain Zissou]

I seem to recall that this is a long standing rite of passage in Jacksonville, what other American city would tell Walt Disney, "Jacksonville doesn't deal with carnival people!"

Plenty of places have fended off Disney's "carnival people" out of fear of what they'd do to their locality - notable examples are Prince William County, VA; Mineral King, California; and Knot's Berry Farm. And those are examples where Disney was actually interested in building - there was fortunately never any danger of Disney World being built here.

I heard differently.  I was told that the cruise business was always a part of Walt Disney's business plan and that he wanted to be able to easily transport his guests from his parks and resorts to the cruise ships.  That made Jacksonville a better option than Orlando.  He supposedly sent teams to both Jacksonville and Kissimmee/Orlando to scout out properties.  He personally was pulling for Jax, but Orlando turned out to be the more viable option.

If Disney ever actually considered Jacksonville, it would have been as only one of many possible sites around the Florida (and the entire eastern seaboard) they were looking at. We were almost certainly out of the running by the time they considered and rejected Palm Beach in 1960, as we had the exact same issues that made them reject Palm Beach - too many people, too close to the coast - and also a colder winter climate. The cruise ship thing didn't really start until the 1980s, long after Disney himself had died.

I know, but it was still a part of his vision.  I don't think anyone would deny that he was quite the visionary. 

[fieldafm]

At that point there would be a normal process of give and take, as opposed to the so-called give and take that was attempted at the community meeting last week.

With all due respect, that sounds completely arbitrary and subjective. 

This is planning 101.  Bone up on the basics first, and then start posting again after that.

.  You're right... I have no idea what I'm talking about.

Does Planning 101 also include a chapter on playing up people's fears to distract everyone from the alternatives(which are quite gruesome)... b/c you're doing a phenomenal job at that.

[Lunican]

Planning 101 with professor DOT, F.

[Lunican]

I was in Avondale Saturday night and had no problem parking. The side streets were mostly empty and Boone Park has lots of parking.

[Dashing Dan]

At that point there would be a normal process of give and take, as opposed to the so-called give and take that was attempted at the community meeting last week.

With all due respect, that sounds completely arbitrary and subjective. 

This is planning 101.  Bone up on the basics first, and then start posting again after that.

.  You're right... I have no idea what I'm talking about.

Planners know that if a planning decision was either arbitrary or capricious, then it can be overturned in court. 

[fieldafm]

At that point there would be a normal process of give and take, as opposed to the so-called give and take that was attempted at the community meeting last week.

With all due respect, that sounds completely arbitrary and subjective. 

This is planning 101.  Bone up on the basics first, and then start posting again after that.

.  You're right... I have no idea what I'm talking about.

Planners know that if it is determined that a planning decision was either arbitrary or capricious, then it can be overturned in court.

All we're asking is for you to publicly disclose how many parking spots Mellow is required to provide, that they are 'currently failing to meet' ?  Dancing around the question is about as arbitrary as one can get. 

[Tacachale]

It still sounds to me that this project follows the intention of the overlay. Seems pretty open and closed to me.

[Dashing Dan]

At that point there would be a normal process of give and take, as opposed to the so-called give and take that was attempted at the community meeting last week.

With all due respect, that sounds completely arbitrary and subjective. 

This is planning 101.  Bone up on the basics first, and then start posting again after that.

.  You're right... I have no idea what I'm talking about.

Planners know that if it is determined that a planning decision was either arbitrary or capricious, then it can be overturned in court.

All we're asking is for you to publicly disclose how many parking spots Mellow is required to provide, that they are 'currently failing to meet' ?  Dancing around the question is about as arbitrary as one can get.

As a professional planner I bill for my time.  Do you want to pay for it, or do you want a worthless opinion? 

Why not let just the process unfold as it should?

[fieldafm]

At that point there would be a normal process of give and take, as opposed to the so-called give and take that was attempted at the community meeting last week.

With all due respect, that sounds completely arbitrary and subjective. 

This is planning 101.  Bone up on the basics first, and then start posting again after that.

.  You're right... I have no idea what I'm talking about.

Planners know that if it is determined that a planning decision was either arbitrary or capricious, then it can be overturned in court.

All we're asking is for you to publicly disclose how many parking spots Mellow is required to provide, that they are 'currently failing to meet' ?  Dancing around the question is about as arbitrary as one can get.

As a professional planner I bill for my time.  Do you want to pay for it, or do you want a worthless opinion? 

Why not let just the process unfold as it should?

Brilliant non-answer yet again.  We wouldn't want facts getting in the way of the discussion.  Please continue with your muck-raking designed to affect someone's livelihood... I hope you are indeed billing someone for that.

[Dashing Dan]

Please continue with your muck-raking designed to affect someone's livelihood... I hope you are indeed billing someone for that.

Nobody's paying me to work on this. Is somebody paying you? 

[fieldafm]

Please continue with your muck-raking designed to affect someone's livelihood... I hope you are indeed billing someone for that.

Nobody's paying me to work on this. Is somebody paying you?

Not in the least bit.  I have been 100% transparent in the discussion.  You should try doing the same. 

[Dashing Dan]

Given the level to which this discussion has sunk, I'm embarrassed about just being a part of it.

[Dashing Dan]

All we're asking is for you to publicly disclose how many parking spots Mellow is required to provide, that they are 'currently failing to meet' ?

Besides yourself, who are you speaking for here?

[PeeJayEss]

All we're asking is for you to publicly disclose how many parking spots Mellow is required to provide, that they are 'currently failing to meet' ?

Besides yourself, who are you speaking for here?

He's speaking for me as well, so that should qualify the use of the pronoun. now we can move on to you actually answering the question.

[Dashing Dan]

All we're asking is for you to publicly disclose how many parking spots Mellow is required to provide, that they are 'currently failing to meet' ?

Besides yourself, who are you speaking for here?

He's speaking for me as well, so that should qualify the use of the pronoun. now we can move on to you actually answering the question.

Once again, my answer is that I don't know, that my opinion doesn't matter, and that there are people out there who are being paid to find out.  Let them tell us, and then the planning process is supposed to give everyone an opportunity to respond.