Is Riverside/Avondale Ready For Mellow Mushroom?

[thelakelander]

Know Growth, I'm puzzled by your comment.  My simple question is what is the big deal about a new business opening up in an existing retail space that has been commercial use since 1922, especially if the use is allowed by the overlay most in the community support? 

It be one thing if we were talking about commercial intrusion into an existing single family residential area but this isn't the case.  I also don't know what the Outer Beltway has to do with this either?

[mtraininjax]

Hopefully, this isn't what Valentino is having to put up with when he's looking at dropping $1-$2 million on site that has been an eyesore for years.

The meeting at the Gracer's church was quite entertaining from what several RAP board members told me. Most of the grumpy-guses were folks opposed to change. It breeds fear and that was on display at the meeting.

The difference between the way John approached his situation and that of Steve's is that John approached RAP and Love and parties before announcing, Steve went head on like a bull in a china shop. Right or wrong, they have their advantages and weaknesses.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

...pedantic and boring...

I highly doubt you were, but if you were referencing 'Family Guy', it's "shallow and pedantic".   

[Kickbackssteve]

Mtrain, I respectfully disagree with your characterization of how we approached our development.  We worked with the city, RAP and Jim Love for months before our project ever became public.  We also participated in a meeting very similar to the one at grace church way back at the beginning.  We approached RAP so early in the process, in fact, that we only had  the floor plans for the ground level finished.  I'm sure that even though not everyone agreed with our plans, Jim, Carmen, Kay and Laura will agree that "a bull in a china shop" couldn't be further from the truth.   

[Gonzo]

...one of my favorite words, right up there with 'lugubrious' ---that one only gets to use every now and then.

Now that, my friend, is a word! Not the cheeriest word in the English language considering the meaning, but a great word, none-the-less.

[Tonyinchicago]

My attorney has sent me a copy of an application for an "exception" that the City Planning Commission is considering.  Some group wants to put a bar/resturant where the clock shop used to be.  Based on the diagram in the application it appears to seat 106 people, mostly on the outside patio. 

We don't believe that the application supports approval because it does not meet the requirements for "exception" based on parking and saftey concerns.

If you consider the parking problem we already have, plus the proposed Mellow Musroom and the West End Cantina which will eventually re-open as some type of restaurant, it will get much worse.

[thelakelander]

Is the clock shop a contributing building?  If so, what do they need an exception for (I assume serving alcohol or something?)?

If it is not a contributing building, what can the building ever be used for that would not require parking since it is pretty much boxed in?

[JHAT76]

My attorney has sent me a copy of an application for an "exception" that the City Planning Commission is considering.  Some group wants to put a bar/resturant where the clock shop used to be.  Based on the diagram in the application it appears to seat 106 people, mostly on the outside patio. 

We don't believe that the application supports approval because it does not meet the requirements for "exception" based on parking and saftey concerns.

If you consider the parking problem we already have, plus the proposed Mellow Musroom and the West End Cantina which will eventually re-open as some type of restaurant, it will get much worse.

I don't consider parking a problem right now.  This Friday night Boone Park had plenty of spots open, plenty of spaces on the mile between the shops and St Vincent's.  Riverside and Oak a mere 1 - 2 blocks off St Johns had open parking from Boone Park to Talbot.  Likely a few spaces near Edible Arrangements.  So where was the problem?

When/If it becomes a problem patrons will have to decide if they want to park 2+ blocks away to walk or not go to these restaurants.  What needs to happen is for people to get it in their heads that there is no Constitutional right to park right in front of the shop/restaurant you want to go to.  A little walking won't hurt you and if you live within walking distance then walk.

Also, please pass along these plans.  Would love to see what the future may hold.

[Tonyinchicago]

Application # E.12-20

[thehill]

Is the clock shop a contributing building?  If so, what do they need an exception for (I assume serving alcohol or something?)?

If it is not a contributing building, what can the building ever be used for that would not require parking since it is pretty much boxed in?

A Parking lot   

[Ocklawaha]

...one of my favorite words, right up there with 'lugubrious' ---that one only gets to use every now and then.

Now that, my friend, is a word! Not the cheeriest word in the English language considering the meaning, but a great word, none-the-less.

This whole thread has devolved in a classic case of schadenfreude. 

[thelakelander]

Is the clock shop a contributing building?  If so, what do they need an exception for (I assume serving alcohol or something?)?

If it is not a contributing building, what can the building ever be used for that would not require parking since it is pretty much boxed in?

A Parking lot   

Lol, so in other words, it will remain vacant because demolishing a small building for a couple of privately owned parking spaces is not economically feasible.  I'd be pretty pissed if I owned and paid taxes on a structurally sound property that was pretty much unusable due to a change in general zoning regulations.

[mtraininjax]

ome group wants to put a bar/resturant where the clock shop used to be.  Based on the diagram in the application it appears to seat 106 people, mostly on the outside patio. 

Perfect location for Taco Lu. Same with Monty's. The area needs a great place like the Lu.

[fieldafm]

ome group wants to put a bar/resturant where the clock shop used to be.  Based on the diagram in the application it appears to seat 106 people, mostly on the outside patio. 

Perfect location for Taco Lu. Same with Monty's. The area needs a great place like the Lu.

Montys is a non-contributing structure built in the 60's.  Would have to dig to see if they have any existing parking waivers applied. 

[tufsu1]

There is only one alternative to this kind of sprawl, and that is densification of the municipal lands that have already been developed and returning to walk able, dense communities.

ah, but that is not true sir.....folks like north miami (know growth) have another option in mind.....close the borders and stop all growth!