Should Gene Smith be the Jacksonville Jaguars General Manager?

Started by British Shoe Company, March 24, 2012, 06:05:07 PM

Keep him or fire him?

Keep him.
22 (43.1%)
Fire him.
20 (39.2%)
I do not know.
4 (7.8%)
I do not care
5 (9.8%)

Total Members Voted: 51

Voting closed: January 18, 2013, 05:05:07 PM


mtraininjax

So who is really evaluating the talent of our free agents? Is it Gene or is it Mularkey or the person dressed in the mascot outfit?

QuoteJACKSONVILLE, Fla. (AP) â€" The Jacksonville Jaguars have released cornerback Drew Coleman after one season, parting ways with a player they felt was one-dimensional.

Coleman played in all 16 games last season and saw action in nearly 50 percent of the defensive snaps as a nickel cornerback. But with Rashean Mathis and Will Middleton returning from injuries and Aaron Ross signing as a free agent, the team no longer saw a role for Coleman. He played sparingly on special teams, and the Jaguars didn't think he could line up anywhere except the slot.

Coleman also was due to make a little more than $1.5 million in 2012.

Coleman spent the previous five seasons with the New York Jets. He signed a three-year deal worth up to $7.4 million with the Jaguars last July.

And, that $115 will save Jacksonville from financial ruin. - Mayor John Peyton

"This is a game-changer. This is what I mean when I say taking Jacksonville to the next level."
-Mayor Alvin Brown on new video boards at Everbank Field

Non-RedNeck Westsider

Quote from: mtraininjax on May 03, 2012, 03:00:01 PM
So who is really evaluating the talent of our free agents? Is it Gene or is it Mularkey or the person dressed in the mascot outfit?

Did you have a point?  He became expendable when we signed Ross and Harrris.  He was a signed as a starter, but ended up only playing a nickel corner, ie situational player, that was making starter pay.  We don't have to pay him $3.1M of the $7.4M we signed him for. 

What don't you understand?
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duvaldude08

Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on May 03, 2012, 03:16:48 PM
Quote from: mtraininjax on May 03, 2012, 03:00:01 PM
So who is really evaluating the talent of our free agents? Is it Gene or is it Mularkey or the person dressed in the mascot outfit?

Did you have a point?  He became expendable when we signed Ross and Harrris.  He was a signed as a starter, but ended up only playing a nickel corner, ie situational player, that was making starter pay.  We don't have to pay him $3.1M of the $7.4M we signed him for. 

What don't you understand?

I agree. I was caught off gaurd for a moment, but when I really looked at it, it made sense.
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mtraininjax

You mean Harris, the rookie who did not even start at FSU? That Harris? Even the Jaguars.com site states:

Quotes expected to compete for a backup role as a rookie, and to make an immediate impact on special teams.

Khan has already said money is not an issue. So it comes down to talent, did we draft enough and get enough new Free Agents to let go of a guy who played all 16 games last year for us and who helped the Jags with their #6 D. Something does not add up here. Something else is at play here. You don't can a UFA who played all the games last year in favor of a rookie who will be a backup, we did not draft any other CBs. Ross is battling Mathis, I thought as reported by the local media. Can Mathis stay healthy as he gets older, is the real question, so again, something not adding up here, not even into training camp and he gets canned.
And, that $115 will save Jacksonville from financial ruin. - Mayor John Peyton

"This is a game-changer. This is what I mean when I say taking Jacksonville to the next level."
-Mayor Alvin Brown on new video boards at Everbank Field

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Quote from: mtraininjax on May 03, 2012, 03:29:33 PM
You mean Harris, the rookie who did not even start at FSU? That Harris? Even the Jaguars.com site states:

Quotes expected to compete for a backup role as a rookie, and to make an immediate impact on special teams.

Khan has already said money is not an issue. So it comes down to talent, did we draft enough and get enough new Free Agents to let go of a guy who played all 16 games last year for us and who helped the Jags with their #6 D. Something does not add up here. Something else is at play here. You don't can a UFA who played all the games last year in favor of a rookie who will be a backup, we did not draft any other CBs. Ross is battling Mathis, I thought as reported by the local media. Can Mathis stay healthy as he gets older, is the real question, so again, something not adding up here, not even into training camp and he gets canned.

I'll help you make some sense of it:

We have 12 CBs on our roster.  Assuming Rashean is healthy, we start Mathis & Cox.  Behind them we have Yobouty, Ross, Middleton and Morgan - 2 guys I've never heard of Rutland and Heath and 5 rookies, including Harris.

We gathered all of this depth when we sent 30+ guys to IR last year.  Obviously, Coleman, was the odd man out.  I'm sure more will be cut, but without looking at each contract, I would imagine that his $1.6M salary + competition were pretty fair reasons for letting him go.
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mtraininjax

QuoteWe have 12 CBs on our roster.

Interestingly enough, on the jaguars.com website, we have 7 Offensive Tackles (where I put Britton, even though the site lists him as only an Offensive Lineman), 4 Offensive Guards (2 of which can play Center as well), and 3 Centers. The starters have some years under them, Britton and Monroe have 4 years, Uche with 6, Meester with 13, most of the others are rookies or with 1 or 2 years.

This will be our Achilles heel this year, if we have injuries.

And, that $115 will save Jacksonville from financial ruin. - Mayor John Peyton

"This is a game-changer. This is what I mean when I say taking Jacksonville to the next level."
-Mayor Alvin Brown on new video boards at Everbank Field

British Shoe Company

Our 1st round pick drank to that!

Quote from: Gators312 on March 25, 2012, 12:54:27 PM
Gene Smith will never build a team better than 9-7. 

He has wasted picks already trying to be the smartest guy in the room.  Taking several small school guys who haven't panned out, thinking he knows more than 31 other organizations.  He has taken the most small school guys of any GM in the NFL during his tenure.   Where has that gotten us?

I don't want to "hate" on the Jaguars as they are our home team, I just don't think Gene Smith can take us where we want to go.

I'm glad he hasn't done a TERRIBLE job so far, but if that's all we can get excited about means we have a long way to go. 

Please name me someone that the Jaguars drafted that was a "home run" under Gene?  How about Free Agents?

 




I-10east

What a surprise, BSC drugged this thread from the woodwork again. No matter what, Gene will never win over the skeptics anyway; If he didn't get Blackmon on draft day, many would be crying about Gene being too conservative, because he needs to take a chance on marquee draft picks that maybe rough around the edges, so yall can't have it both ways.

Tacachale

Wow, so Gene Smith is responsible for a draftee getting a DUI? Didn't realize he was authorized to undertake police stops in the state of Oklahoma.
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copperfiend

Quote from: I-10east on June 04, 2012, 01:20:40 PM
What a surprise, BSC drugged this thread from the woodwork again. No matter what, Gene will never win over the skeptics anyway; If he didn't get Blackmon on draft day, many would be crying about Gene being too conservative, because he needs to take a chance on marquee draft picks that maybe rough around the edges, so yall can't have it both ways.

2009-2011:

Gene Smith drafts too many no-name small school choir boys.

2012:

Gene Smith drafts too many big-name, big school guys with character issues.

mtraininjax

Let's just hope Blackmon doesn'y turn into a R. Jay Soward during Mularkey's first year. The Head Coach is already throwing him under a bus by asking him to ask questions about plays he is unsure of, BEFORE the play is run.
And, that $115 will save Jacksonville from financial ruin. - Mayor John Peyton

"This is a game-changer. This is what I mean when I say taking Jacksonville to the next level."
-Mayor Alvin Brown on new video boards at Everbank Field

duvaldude08

Quote from: mtraininjax on June 04, 2012, 02:55:55 PM
Let's just hope Blackmon doesn'y turn into a R. Jay Soward during Mularkey's first year. The Head Coach is already throwing him under a bus by asking him to ask questions about plays he is unsure of, BEFORE the play is run.

How is that throwing him under the bus? That is making sure that he understands everything. A good teacher always knows when a student is lost, without them having to say anything. So why let him go out and do it then wrong, instead making sure he knows the right way? I always remember my second grade teacher. I always hated to ask questions because I didnt want to feel dumb. So I was just do my owrk very slowly and sometimes stare at the paper when I didnt understand something. She would always walk up and ask " Do you need some help?" As an adult I have gotten better but I still hate asking questions. I dont think mularkey is doing anything wrong.
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Wacca Pilatka

Quote from: copperfiend on June 04, 2012, 01:28:35 PM
Quote from: I-10east on June 04, 2012, 01:20:40 PM
What a surprise, BSC drugged this thread from the woodwork again. No matter what, Gene will never win over the skeptics anyway; If he didn't get Blackmon on draft day, many would be crying about Gene being too conservative, because he needs to take a chance on marquee draft picks that maybe rough around the edges, so yall can't have it both ways.

2009-2011:

Gene Smith drafts too many no-name small school choir boys.

2012:

Gene Smith drafts too many big-name, big school guys with character issues.

The entire substance of BSC's complaint about Gene Smith is the non-acquisition of Tebow. 
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mtraininjax

QuoteHow is that throwing him under the bus? That is making sure that he understands everything. A good teacher always knows when a student is lost, without them having to say anything. So why let him go out and do it then wrong, instead making sure he knows the right way?

For one,  I never had a high school or college coach use the Television or local media to question if I understood the playbook. A good coach would pull the player aside and discuss this with them, rather than ambush them through the media.
And, that $115 will save Jacksonville from financial ruin. - Mayor John Peyton

"This is a game-changer. This is what I mean when I say taking Jacksonville to the next level."
-Mayor Alvin Brown on new video boards at Everbank Field