Shooting at Regency Mall

[thelakelander]

As a black and urban planner who grew up "across the tracks", I've always had a problem with this black leader thing and how race is discussed here in general.  In fact, I find it kind of crazy that a random shooting at Regency has sparked this discussion.  We've had several more crimes committed in this community this year by various people of different pigments and this didn't pop up.

We live in a society where cause and effect certainly rings true.  Rip apart a segment of society's family structure for centuries and you'll probably find it may take just as long to repair it on a large scale.  Force people to live near industrial facilities and don't be surprised when they aren't as healthy as those that don't live near them.  Place somebody in a social environment where educational opportunities are harder to come through and don't be surprised when them, their kids, and grandkids don't rise up the economic ladder of success as quick as others.  Place horny teenagers in an isolated room by themselves without protection and don't be surprised when babies eventually pop out.  I could go on with various cause and effect examples that have more to do with economics and environment than race. 

There is no Bill Cosby, Jessie Jackson, David Duke, etc. that's going to come in and save the day.  White, black, red, etc. most of America's issues have less to do with race and more to do with environmental context, imo.  So instead of focusing on a black, white, yellow, green leader, etc. (we aren't a tribe, there is no single leader or king), focus on some level needs to be at a much larger scale. 

You want to stop crime, you're better off attempting to change the urban environment that crime you'd like to address is breeded in.  For example, insead of closing schools, parks, and providing horrible public transportation, perhaps these things should be improved in distressed communities.  I believe this method is more effective in all segments of society than separating and blaming individual races.  Imo, nothing will change in the future until we can become more colorblind on race and focus on changing the causes that create negative effects.

[Charles Hunter]

Back to the comment that Regency couldn't transform into a SJTC-type lifestyle center - Roosevelt Mall did it a few years ago, and seems to be doing alright.

[RMHoward]

As a black and urban planner who grew up "across the tracks", I've always had a problem with this black leader thing and how race is discussed here in general.  In fact, I find it kind of crazy that a random shooting at Regency has sparked this discussion.  We've had several more crimes committed in this community this year by various people of different pigments and this didn't pop up.

We live in a society where cause and effect certainly rings true.  Rip apart a segment of society's family structure for centuries and you'll probably find it may take just as long to repair it on a large scale.  Force people to live near industrial facilities and don't be surprised when they aren't as healthy as those that don't live near them.  Place somebody in a social environment where educational opportunities are harder to come through and don't be surprised when them, their kids, and grandkids don't rise up the economic ladder of success as quick as others.  Place horny teenagers in an isolated room by themselves without protection and don't be surprised when babies eventually pop out.  I could go on with various cause and effect examples that have more to do with economics and environment than race. 

There is no Bill Cosby, Jessie Jackson, David Duke, etc. that's going to come in and save the day.  White, black, red, etc. most of America's issues have less to do with race and more to do with environmental context, imo.  So instead of focusing on a black, white, yellow, green leader, etc. (we aren't a tribe, there is no single leader or king), focus on some level needs to be at a much larger scale. 

You want to stop crime, you're better off attempting to change the urban environment that crime you'd like to address is breeded in.  For example, insead of closing schools, parks, and providing horrible public transportation, perhaps these things should be improved in distressed communities.  I believe this method is more effective in all segments of society than separating and blaming individual races.  Imo, nothing will change in the future until we can become more colorblind on race and focus on changing the causes that create negative effects.

You said the following: "force people to live near industrial centers", "Rip apart a segment of society's family structure ", "Place somebody in a social environment where educational opportunities are harder to come through and don't be surprised when them, their kids, and grandkids don't rise up the economic ladder of success as quick as others".

Not wanting to put words in your mouth but who or what is the noun doing the action in the preceeding quotes?  I think we all know who blame is being, once again, shifted to here.  You can talk about all the parks, schools, etc., you want to, but until black society stops having 72% of children out of wedlock, black children will continue to grow up in one-parent (if lucky) households where they fend for themselves and grow up on the streets.  This leads to dread-locked bangers with pants down to their knees infiltrating all sorts of society just daring anyone to give a negative look in their direcion.  Stop shifting blame to the rest of society for black family breakdowns.  I, for one, am sick of hearing about it. 

[Arlingtondude]

"Too bad this happen. Regency already takes enough heat. When kidnapping and robberies happen at the Avenues and Town Center, people over look it. As soon as something happens at Regency, everybody pounces on them. My philospy is, no where is safe these days. No where. Im glad no one was seriously injuried though."

I totally agree. I also live in Arlington and shop at Regency. If anything happens in the Arlington/Regency area it is instantly reported. Usually followed by several followup stories (as with the story on jacksonvilles.com today by the husband of the victim of the shooting) Crime in other areas is usually underreported. One poster on news4jax states that there were shots fired in San Marco on friday evening during two attempted car thefts. If this is true, why no news coverage?

[thelakelander]

This leads to dread-locked bangers with pants down to their knees infiltrating all sorts of society just daring anyone to give a negative look in their direcion.  Stop shifting blame to the rest of society for black family breakdowns.  I, for one, am sick of hearing about it.

Wow, that's a pretty poor view of a race.  Pants down to their knees isn't exactly a black youth only problem so why equate it to blacks in particular?  Having children out of wedlock also isn't a black only problem.  If you put any effort into researching your positions, I believe you'll discover that many of the things you're equating with blacks as a whole are more educational and economic demographic driven than racial.  With that said, you may have your own set of demons you may need to focus on exercising instead of looking down on others. 

As for my quote, I'm not blaming any race or individual.  However, I am saying that we (all of us) as a whole have to change our environment if we want to truly lift all segments of society.  Plug any color into the environmental context described and the result will be the same.  It's not a black community this or white community that.  It's also not about trying to find who to blame and acting like some are better than others.  It's not 1955 anymore.  We've got to get past that gutter level of society style of thinking if we truly want progress.

[peestandingup]

I'm not gonna pretend I know WTF I'm talking about. All I know are the stats & my own experiences.

I grew up in literally the exact type of environment Lake mentioned above, except it was all white & not inner city. Coal country in southern Appalachia. Sure, there was crime & you had your drug abuse & the occasional pill head robbing someone's house, but nothing like what goes on in inner city ghettos that are predominantly black. Has anyone even heard of such a thing anywhere?? I have not. And I'm talking dirt poor, filthy polluted environment living, uneducated baby having people here. Just white. So if there was a "white ghetto", that'd be it (and then some).

And look, I'm not saying it is a race thing. Its very likely a mix of elements, including social, environment & class (with possibly some instinctual elements). All I'm saying is I'm not sure I can buy the whole "its the environment, stupid" argument.

Like I said, I'm not gonna pretend I know what it is, but I know its not just those things.

[Nightman_Cometh]

Do large poker rooms across the country have high crime rates? It would be interesting to see some statistical documentation on this.

Im not sure, but what Im getting at is, it will be known that people will be leaving the poker room with large sums of money in their pocket (the poker room will be open 24 hours a day by the way).  People with large sums of money in their pockets in Arlington....I think you get my point.

Its definitely not a race thing.....The majority of serial killings, serial rapes, home grown extremists, and sex crime are committed by white people. Is it a "white problem"? 

[thelakelander]

I'm not gonna pretend I know WTF I'm talking about. All I know are the stats & my own experiences.

I grew up in literally the exact type of environment Lake mentioned above, except it was all white & not inner city. Coal country in southern Appalachia. Sure, there was crime & you had your drug abuse & the occasional pill head robbing someone's house, but nothing like what goes on in inner city ghettos that are predominantly black. Has anyone even heard of such a thing anywhere?? I have not. And I'm talking dirt poor, filthy polluted environment living, uneducated baby having people here. Just white. So if there was a "white ghetto", that'd be it (and then some).

And look, I'm not saying it is a race thing. Its very likely a mix of elements, including social, environment & class (with possibly some instinctual elements). All I'm saying is I'm not sure I can buy the whole "its the environment, stupid" argument.

Like I said, I'm not gonna pretend I know what it is, but I know its not just those things.

One environmental factor that would be completely different between coal country in southern Appalachia and urban inner city communities would be population density.  Larger population living in poverty within a more compact area will lead to a higher level of negative results.  In fact, ill impacts of high density slums in urban cities is the main reason we have zoning ordinances today.  If you compare an area like Jacksonville's Sin City, I believe it would provide a different statistical picture from a southern Appalachia community with the same ethnic makeup.

Like you, I don't know all the answers but I'm pretty good at smelling bullshit a mile away.  Most of the racial related things discussed in Jax is full of flies, imo.

[peestandingup]

Define "heinous crimes", Stephen. Did you have people shooting each other on a regular basis in "whitetown"? I didn't. Crimes, yes absolutely. But what was the extent.

Yeah, I agree with that Lake. I was actually gonna edit my post about the compact living arrangement probably being a very big difference (I said environment, but should have elaborated). I'm sure if most of the poor white areas of the country weren't mostly rural, you'd see a lot higher crime rates & a difference of the types of crimes committed.

[RMHoward]

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr60/nvsr60_01.pdf#table15

this is the actual cdc report on unmarried women (an unrelated issue btw----just another bigoted way of attempting to conflate 'black' with 'immoral'.

If you check out the figures they can be read in a number of ways.

Check out the 'unmarried' children produced by 'white society'---to carry on the racist language of our house racist, RMHoward---  For teenage mothers, the rate of illegitimacy for white girls runs about 95%.

How can we convince 'White Society" to stop having so much birth out of wedlock?

Of course, thats not including the number of 'unwed' White women who simply abort their pregnancies quietly without ever having the baby.

For those rates, check here:  http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0101.pdf

The only thing that I can ascertain from RMHOwards post is that he prefers more abortions if the result is that there are fewer black children with single mothers.

Which is pretty disgusting when you think about it.

Hey Steph! Maybe you could condense your 6 posts down to just one for us.  If you concentrate, i am sure you coulf fit all your venom/namecalling into one, well-thought out post.  Try, for us please.  If you are a moderator/editor/whatever here on MetroJax, you really set a poor example.  No one will accuse you of being fair and balanced, thats for sure.  By the way, what is discusting to me is the sight of your avatar picture.  Could you please change it for me?  Reminds me of Carrot top. Is your hair really that putrid of a color.  Just wonderin. 

[Timkin]

 

[duvaldude08]

I know right. LOL

[Know Growth]

No Club Aqua in Avondale.

Not yet.Why not,and why should it not be?

[thelakelander]

No Club Aqua in Avondale.

Not yet.Why not,and why should it not be?

There appears to be only one Club Aqua in town.  However, there are clubs and bars in Riverside/Avondale.

[duvaldude08]

Jacksonville police this morning announced an arrest in Friday afternoon's shooting at Regency Square mall on Arlington Expressway.

Sunday police arrested Keith Anthony Brown of the 2300 block of McQuade Street on charges of attempted murder and possession of a firearm by a felon. They're still looking for the two others who were with him.

A woman working for the NYS Collection sunglasses kiosk near Belk was shot in the shoulder after at least one of three men leaving the building started shooting around lunchtime. Lt. Brian Richardson said an 18-year-old saw someone he had a dispute with and shot three times, hitting the woman instead.

Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2012-02-13/story/jacksonville-police-make-arrest-regency-mall-shooting#ixzz1mHPaZTyn

Good! now they need to get those other two idiots.