TU kickbacks article

[dougskiles]

Think about the distance people are willing to walk from one of the outer parking lots at the St Johns Town Center to any of the popular restaurants.  Using Google Earth, I measure about 1,500 feet - on average (that would be the lot south of Dillard's to Maggiano's).

That is the same distance between Kickback's and Park Street.  Which is a pretty good spread and covers quite a few residential streets, a majority of which allow street parking.

The parking is distributed such that people have to walk just about as much as they do at any major retail area.

[Captain Zissou]

"Kickbacks is full of occupiers!!!!!!!!"  <- that was my favorite post from the TU.

I occupy kickbacks pretty often.  I have also Occupied Wall Street in five points.  Tomorrow night I will be occupying Intuition for the Belgian Beer Seminar.

[cline]

The parking is distributed such that people have to walk just about as much as they do at any major retail area.

Walking distance is not the issue here.  Residents are taking issue with people parking on the streets.  My opinion is that the streets are public property and on-street parking is legal and should be allowed.  Now if people are parking in front of people's driveways- those people should have their cars towed.

[wsansewjs]

Think about the distance people are willing to walk from one of the outer parking lots at the St Johns Town Center to any of the popular restaurants.  Using Google Earth, I measure about 1,500 feet - on average (that would be the lot south of Dillard's to Maggiano's).

That is the same distance between Kickback's and Park Street.  Which is a pretty good spread and covers quite a few residential streets, a majority of which allow street parking.

The parking is distributed such that people have to walk just about as much as they do at any major retail area.

How can you assume that the majority of "residential streets" whose private properties has the first right to use the parking in the street in front of the house would allow street parking for public usage?

-Josh

[cline]

Think about the distance people are willing to walk from one of the outer parking lots at the St Johns Town Center to any of the popular restaurants.  Using Google Earth, I measure about 1,500 feet - on average (that would be the lot south of Dillard's to Maggiano's).

That is the same distance between Kickback's and Park Street.  Which is a pretty good spread and covers quite a few residential streets, a majority of which allow street parking.

The parking is distributed such that people have to walk just about as much as they do at any major retail area.

How can you assume that the majority of "residential streets" whose private properties has the first right to use the parking in the street in front of the house would allow street parking for public usage?

-Josh

That is incorrect.  Residents do not have the first right to use parking on public streets in front of their homes.  Anyone can park on the streets.

[iluvolives]

The resident in the article said that he has people actually park on his lot and that he has to have people towed on average 2x a week. That would get really annoying, but perhaps he needs some additional signage stating his lot is private property.

[thelakelander]

A hedge, landscaping or a fence would potentially eliminate this particular issue as well.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

A hedge, landscaping or a fence would potentially eliminate this particular issue as well.

Hell, I would make a deal with a towing company to pay me a little everytime he has to pick up a car.  $40-$60/wk for making a few phone calls...  I'm in.

[Jimmy]

Think about the distance people are willing to walk from one of the outer parking lots at the St Johns Town Center to any of the popular restaurants.  Using Google Earth, I measure about 1,500 feet - on average (that would be the lot south of Dillard's to Maggiano's).

That is the same distance between Kickback's and Park Street.  Which is a pretty good spread and covers quite a few residential streets, a majority of which allow street parking.

The parking is distributed such that people have to walk just about as much as they do at any major retail area.

How can you assume that the majority of "residential streets" whose private properties has the first right to use the parking in the street in front of the house would allow street parking for public usage?

-Josh

That is incorrect.  Residents do not have the first right to use parking on public streets in front of their homes.  Anyone can park on the streets.

Cline correctly states the law.  Private property ends at the city's right of way.  It's a common misconception that homeowners or renters have some sort of preference to park on the street in front of their residence.  It's not the case.

[Dog Walker]

What aggravates the parking problem is that almost everything south of King St. was built before many people had cars and there was seldom any provision made for parking cars on the properties.  Makes it tight.

People who live in cities just have to get used to people that they don't know parking in front of their houses.  It literally comes with the territory.

[thekillingwax]

Let me start by saying that I like Kickbacks but the parking thing is insane and the "deal with it" attitude given towards long-time residents kinda sucks. They didn't ask to be part of an "entertainment district", they just want to be able to get in and out of their houses without a bunch of hassle. My friend lives within a block of the area and is on-call on the weekends sometimes and she has come very close to losing her job because she couldn't get out of her driveway. It's just stupid. Luckily I live a lot closer now so I've been able to pick her up but it's totally wrong. She was talking to her neighbors about it and a few of them have plainly stated that if it gets worse, they're going to start vandalizing and damaging cars to discourage people parking there. It's crazy but I think some people are just feeling bullied and desperate. I think they could  cope with it better if all the disruption was for something important but not being able to leave your driveway or park more than a block away from your house because of a couple of bars? I'd be pretty pissed off as well.

[Jaxson]

I recentlytalked to someone from RAP about this and promised that I would put in my two cents on this issue.  Having read the Times-Union, however, I am still not sure what to think about this issue.

[north miami]

What aggravates the parking problem is that almost everything south of King St. was built before many people had cars and there was seldom any provision made for parking cars on the properties.  Makes it tight.

People who live in cities just have to get used to people that they don't know parking in front of their houses.  It literally comes with the territory.

now that's the attitude!!
Why does commercial trump neighborhood,residential??
that was the attitude city planning had with the Ortega Boatyard rezone.........parking?...??.....to the neighborhood,a collective middle finger.

Riverside Avondale is destined for decline,

[north miami]

I recentlytalked to someone from RAP about this and promised that I would put in my two cents on this issue.  Having read the Times-Union, however, I am still not sure what to think about this issue.

Thanks to the TU article RAP position,reasoning is put forth directly rather than left to unknown, conjecture,false narrative.

[thelakelander]

What aggravates the parking problem is that almost everything south of King St. was built before many people had cars and there was seldom any provision made for parking cars on the properties.  Makes it tight.

People who live in cities just have to get used to people that they don't know parking in front of their houses.  It literally comes with the territory.

now that's the attitude!!
Why does commercial trump neighborhood,residential??

I don't think the parking situation is a commercial or residential issue.  Everyone is focused on Kickbacks but the real issue is much greater than that place and will only get worse with every new or redevelopment project that pops up. 

The neighborhood is simply one built at a scale that can't physically support increased automobile use as it rebuilds lost density.  At some point alternative modes of mobility will have to be seriously addressed, planned for, and advocated with the same passion or risk endangering the character of the area to create additional capacity for the automobile.