A look at Oakleaf Town Center

[tufsu1]

I could be wrong...but suspect that Bill will agree that larger mixed-use developments (those that qualified as DRIs) paid far more per unit than smaller hodge podge developments.

[thelakelander]

Unfortunately, the smaller hodge podge developments occur more and happen quicker than large DRIs.

[ChriswUfGator]

I could be wrong...but suspect that Bill will agree that larger mixed-use developments (those that qualified as DRIs) paid far more per unit than smaller hodge podge developments.

Yeah, better buy a rearview mirror so you don't hit something backpedaling that fast...

What you said was "one of the biggest misconceptions about concurrency is that developments don't pay for themselves." I wonder what Killingsworth will think of that bit of brilliance? You said what you said. Or did somebody hijack your keyboard and write that under your screename?

[ChriswUfGator]

Oh and let's not forget, just to place this in context, that the title of this thread in which you wrote that is; "A look at Oakleaf..." so that's the type of development being referred to.

[tufsu1]

In any case, that has nothing to do with your claim.

You said that sprawl developments 'pay more than their fair share'.

nope...in my original post I said "large developments"....I also said "in many parts of the state"...I stand by that statement

In the post yesteray, I specifically referred to developments like Oakleaf and Nocatee...both are DRIs.

[ChriswUfGator]

In any case, that has nothing to do with your claim.

You said that sprawl developments 'pay more than their fair share'.

nope...in my original post I said "large developments"....I also said "in many parts of the state"...I stand by that statement

In the post yesteray, I specifically referred to developments like Oakleaf and Nocatee...both are DRIs.

So you're saying Nocatee's developers paid more than it cost taxpayers to build the supporting infrastructure?

Just so we're clear...

[tufsu1]

The Nocatee developers paid for the infrastructure, including that crazy new flyover off US 1...to the tune of $65+ million....now it is likely that they will pass those costs onto the folks who buy land/homes there...but that seems fair to me.

[ChriswUfGator]

The Nocatee developers paid for the infrastructure, including that crazy new flyover off US 1...to the tune of $65+ million....now it is likely that they will pass those costs onto the folks who buy land/homes there...but that seems fair to me.

You didn't really answer the question.

[tufsu1]

The Nocatee developers paid for the infrastructure, including that crazy new flyover off US 1...to the tune of $65+ million....now it is likely that they will pass those costs onto the folks who buy land/homes there...but that seems fair to me.

You didn't really answer the question.

Um. yeah.  So thats what happens with the flyover.  What about the rest of the infrastructure?

yes...they paid for the infrastructure, not the taxpayuers....that includes the sewer, stormwater, and roads...plus they donated lands for parks and schools.

and as development comes online there, contributions to property, sales, and other taxes will begin...which will more than offset the costs of the public facailities.

[ChriswUfGator]

The Nocatee developers paid for the infrastructure, including that crazy new flyover off US 1...to the tune of $65+ million....now it is likely that they will pass those costs onto the folks who buy land/homes there...but that seems fair to me.

You didn't really answer the question.

Um. yeah.  So thats what happens with the flyover.  What about the rest of the infrastructure?

yes...they paid for the infrastructure, not the taxpayuers....that includes the sewer, stormwater, and roads...plus they donated lands for parks and schools.

and as development comes online there, contributions to property, sales, and other taxes will begin...which will more than offset the costs of the public facailities.

So they donated land. Did they pay to build the schools? Firehouses? The parks? Pay to operate them?

[north miami]

If anyone had a few hundred acres one wanted to develop (and in this case,wrestled away from the Trust for Public Lands) most would 'donate' a portion too.

Oakleaf Town Center: "ANYWHERE"

[Live_Oak]

Can you share what the city planning director said?

[Live_Oak]

Well I was asking you Stephen.  You're the one bringing up the city planning director but you won't post what he said.  So please, enlighten everyone.

[Live_Oak]

Obsessed with you?  Don't flatter yourself stephen.  You post in practically every single thread.

[dougskiles]

Oakleaf is part of a Community Development District (CDD).  This is from their website:

http://oakleafresidents.com/faq.htm

CDD: Community Development District

The CDD is a form of local government created by the Florida State Legislature which has very specific, yet fewer powers than a city or county. There is a Board of Supervisors that currently meets once a month and the meetings are open to the public. In very general terms the CDD is responsible for what can be termed the common areas of the community, including but not limited to the amenity centers, storm water retention ponds, and parks. Concerns regarding these areas may be directed to the Onsite Community Operations Manager at manager@oakleafresidents.com or (904)406-2206, X2.

While it appears that they do cover the costs of maintaining some of the local facilities through an assessment, I get the feeling that the negative financial impact comes from the increased usage of infrastructure connecting them to the larger metropolitan area (i.e. more commuters on the road).

With respect to fair share, those payments are calculated based on the cost to improve the road system to an acceptable level of service and have no provisions for the cost of maintenance.

But it ends up being a 'gift' that keeps giving.  Once they improve the road system to an acceptable level of service, it promotes more sprawl.  I believe that it only ends when we say 'enough' - no more road construction.