Thoughts on the Joe Paterno Situation?

[iluvolives]

I read the report the day it came out...

You know he is the one that brought this incident up to the authorities right? He did so when he found out that they were investigating Sandusky for other offenses. That shows that he was not happy that it had been covered up or that he was deceived. It also shows that he has remorse about the situation and was willing to tarnish his own name and the university he loves in order to get the truth out. Have you ever had to make a decision that difficult? A decision with implications so large? At the age of 28? You are free to judge all you want or disagree with me all you want, but there is still a lot of gray when it comes to McQueary's story. If it was as black as you are making it out, he would be fired like the others.

You are incorrect- the boy called victim 1 in the report is the one who went to authorities and insisted on an investigation. McQuery's testimony is what lead to Sandusky's arrest because he was an eye witness, so telling the truth while under oath is the most he did to assist in the investigation.

Actually I am 100% correct and your inability to realize this tells me I'm wasting my time arguing with you.

My post stated: "You know he is the one that brought this incident up to the authorities right? He did so when he found out that they were investigating Sandusky for other offenses."

How do you think the investigators found out about the McQueary incident? Duh...because when he found out there was an investigation into Sandusky, he came forward and told them the truth about incident 2. He could have kept his mouth shut and nobody would have ever known. JoePa wouldn't have lost his job. The President and AD wouldn't be fired. And Penn State (his alma mater) wouldn't look as bad. That is part of the reason that Penn State fans are so mad at him and why he is receiving death threats.

The fact that he would come forward when he knew the potential consequences tells me he was deeply troubled and conflicted about the whole thing.

Had this victim not been successful in starting an investigation (by agencies outside the university police) i feel confident in thinking McQuery would not have come forward on his own. He would have to have known that if there was a legitimate investigation taking place that the fact that he had told peterno about witnessing abuse would eventually have been found out... Especially if he felt that he had taken the appropriate steps in reporting it in the first place, surely it would be on record somewhere. I'm not saying he doesn't feel guilty, he should feel guilty and like a complete coward- but it wasn't till he knew it was all about to unfold that he made an effort to make it right. So his current behavior is exactly like his behavior 10 years ago- completely in his own interest.


You are right- no need to try and argue with me- anyone who makes claims that because a child isn't screaming means they aren't in distress when being raped is someone I have no interest in finding a common ground with.

[Bridges]

Reports coming out that the Paterno statue will be taken down over thanksgiving. 

Wow. 

[CityLife]

Also reports out that McQueary is saying he stopped the rape, "I didn't just turn and run ... I made sure it stopped ... I had to make quick tough decisions".

I'm sure we won't get to hear the full story anytime soon because he is a witness, but like I said. Lets at least hear this guys side of the story before vilifying him.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7238963/penn-state-nittany-lions-scandal-mike-mcqueary-stopped-alleged-assault-source-says

[JeffreyS]

He is also saying he went to the police.

[Dog Walker]

Sandusky was interviewed by telephone by a TV news anchor yesterday.  They played part of the interview on ABC news last night.

Sandusky was so obviously lying it was pitiful.  He showed every "tell" that a trained interviewer looks for to see if someone is lying; repeating the question, shifting to passive voice, flat affect, diminishing his actions, etc.  A jury could convict him on that interview alone.

[Tacachale]

^It was pretty stupid of his lawyers to let him do that interview. Everything is admissible as evidence.

[RMHoward]

I read the report the day it came out...

You know he is the one that brought this incident up to the authorities right? He did so when he found out that they were investigating Sandusky for other offenses. That shows that he was not happy that it had been covered up or that he was deceived. It also shows that he has remorse about the situation and was willing to tarnish his own name and the university he loves in order to get the truth out. Have you ever had to make a decision that difficult? A decision with implications so large? At the age of 28? You are free to judge all you want or disagree with me all you want, but there is still a lot of gray when it comes to McQueary's story. If it was as black as you are making it out, he would be fired like the others.

You are incorrect- the boy called victim 1 in the report is the one who went to authorities and insisted on an investigation. McQuery's testimony is what lead to Sandusky's arrest because he was an eye witness, so telling the truth while under oath is the most he did to assist in the investigation.

Actually I am 100% correct and your inability to realize this tells me I'm wasting my time arguing with you.

My post stated: "You know he is the one that brought this incident up to the authorities right? He did so when he found out that they were investigating Sandusky for other offenses."

How do you think the investigators found out about the McQueary incident? Duh...because when he found out there was an investigation into Sandusky, he came forward and told them the truth about incident 2. He could have kept his mouth shut and nobody would have ever known. JoePa wouldn't have lost his job. The President and AD wouldn't be fired. And Penn State (his alma mater) wouldn't look as bad. That is part of the reason that Penn State fans are so mad at him and why he is receiving death threats.

The fact that he would come forward when he knew the potential consequences tells me he was deeply troubled and conflicted about the whole thing.

Had this victim not been successful in starting an investigation (by agencies outside the university police) i feel confident in thinking McQuery would not have come forward on his own. He would have to have known that if there was a legitimate investigation taking place that the fact that he had told peterno about witnessing abuse would eventually have been found out... Especially if he felt that he had taken the appropriate steps in reporting it in the first place, surely it would be on record somewhere. I'm not saying he doesn't feel guilty, he should feel guilty and like a complete coward- but it wasn't till he knew it was all about to unfold that he made an effort to make it right. So his current behavior is exactly like his behavior 10 years ago- completely in his own interest.


You are right- no need to try and argue with me- anyone who makes claims that because a child isn't screaming means they aren't in distress when being raped is someone I have no interest in finding a common ground with.

This is a ridiculous and unfair strawman argument. Are you sure you arent also against murder and burning nuns alive as well?

What about eating puppies.  Live.  In front of the children who know them as pets?

I bet you also couldnt find much common ground with the puppy chompers either, right?

Here we go again with Steph resorting to nastiness (his trademark) in a post that would otherwise be  enlightening.  Its a similar pattern with him.  He of all people (a moderator, i guess)who should be a calming force on this forum is instead the vicious attack dog for anyone with a different opinion.  It always culminates in a thread like the one above.  The forum deserves better.

[Dog Walker]

^It was pretty stupid of his lawyers to let him do that interview. Everything is admissible as evidence.

His lawyer actually set up the interview with Bob Costas!

[thelakelander]

Also reports out that McQueary is saying he stopped the rape, "I didn't just turn and run ... I made sure it stopped ... I had to make quick tough decisions".

I'm sure we won't get to hear the full story anytime soon because he is a witness, but like I said. Lets at least hear this guys side of the story before vilifying him.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7238963/penn-state-nittany-lions-scandal-mike-mcqueary-stopped-alleged-assault-source-says

Either McQueary or the police are lying....

Police: No reports from Mike McQueary

A central Pennsylvania police chief says his department did not receive a report from then-Penn State graduate assistant Mike McQueary related to an allegation of child sexual abuse against former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky.

McQueary, now the Penn State wide receivers coach who was placed on administrative leave Friday, had told a friend in an email that in 2002 he stopped the alleged rape of a boy he thought to be about 10 years old and discussed the matter with police.

But State College police chief Tom King said Wednesday McQueary didn't make a report to his department.

"He didn't come to State College police. The crime happened on campus and we don't have jurisdiction on campus," King said. "We've had no reports (of Sandusky sexually abusing someone) from anybody."

The university also has its own police force, and said they have no record of any police report filed by McQueary.

"This is the first we have heard of it," said Lisa Powers, Penn State's director of public information.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7243505/police-say-no-record-penn-state-mike-mcqueary-reporting-assault

[Tacachale]

^We'd better just get used to not hearing from McQueary directly until this is all said and done with. Unlike the defense, the prosecutor is evidently not an idiot and is keeping a lid on him.

[BridgeTroll]

Either McQueary lied to the Grand Jury or he lied in the email... I tend to think he lied in the email in an attempt to save face.  Here is what he told the grand jury...

The graduate assistant was shocked but noticed that both
Victim 2 and Sandusky saw him. The graduate assistant left immediately, distraught.
The graduate assistant went to his office and called his father, reporting to him what he
had seen. His father told the graduate assistant to leave the building and come to his home. The
graduate assistant and his father decided that the graduate assistant had to report what
he had seen to Coach Joe Paterno ("Paterno"), head football coach of Pemi State. The next
morning, a Saturday, the graduate assistant telephoned Paterno and went to Paterno's home,
where he reported what he had seen.
Joseph V. Paterno testified to receiving the graduate assistant's report at his home on a
Saturday morning. Paterno testified that the graduate assistant was very upset. Paterno called
Tim Curley ("Curley"), Penn State Athletic Director and Paterno's immediate superior, to his
home the very next day, a Sunday, and reported to him that the graduate assistant had seen Jerry
Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a
young boy.
Approximately one and a half weeks later, the graduate assistant was called to a meeting
with Penn State Athletic Director Curley and Senior Vice President for Finance and Business
Gary Schultz ("Schultz"). The graduate assistant reported to Curley and Schultz that he had
witnessed what he believed to be Sandusky having anal sex with a boy in the Lasch Building
showers. Curley and Schultz assured the graduate assistant that they would look into it and
determine what further action they would take. Paterno was not present for this meeting.
The graduate assistant heard back from Curley a couple of weeks later. He was told that
Sandusky's keys to the locker room were taken away and that the incident had been reported to
The Second Mile. The graduate assistant was never questioned by University Police

[Garden guy]

Can't we assume that the entire city has know about this behavior and noone wants to see the money go so mouths are kept shut?....How about they end the entire sports program for a few years?...Money makes people blind deaf and dumb and apparently it makes you unable to see children being abused.....hmm???....nothing new i guess...this has been happening in every college and or highschool....has sports and the love of the money it brings made the programs untouchable?....it's all about money people...if the jag players made $50k a year...i can guarantee you there would be noone turning thier heads when kids are raped...put the money in the picture...."what kid?"...."that coach would never do that"

[tufsu1]

untouchable?....it's all about money people...if the jag players made $50k a year...i can guarantee you there would be noone turning thier heads when kids are raped...

wow...nice rant...too bad it doesn't 100% compute given that college players aren't paid (at least in theory).

[BridgeTroll]

untouchable?....it's all about money people...if the jag players made $50k a year...i can guarantee you there would be noone turning thier heads when kids are raped...

wow...nice rant...too bad it doesn't 100% compute given that college players aren't paid (at least in theory).

Considering Penn State tuition is 14k for in-state and 26k for out of state... I would say they are paid pretty well