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[Wacca Pilatka]

Well now Sime-Walker is on IR for the rest of the season for his knee. HE JUST GOT HERE. We are cursed with a curse this season. Garrard got cut, but his eventually had back surgery so its looks like this was our fate from day one. ARRGGHHHHHHHHHHH

MSW didn't exactly strain himself fighting for the ball last week on that lob pass from Gabbert, and that surely could have been for injury reasons.  We're probably not worse off with Robiskie.  Plus, Robiskie went to a major conference school, so people can stop the ridiculous criticisms of Gene on that front for a day 

[I-10east]

Plus, Robiskie went to a major conference school, so people can stop the ridiculous criticisms of Gene on that front for a day 

I totally agree. Small school critcisms = college yahoo who doesn't know crap about pro sports. Seriously, who do they think they're kidding with many of those big school busts (some from the Florida Gators BTW) that the Jags selected. Many of our "small school guys" has already panned out very well like Derek Cox,  who's a solid NFL cornerback.

[duvaldude08]

Well now Sime-Walker is on IR for the rest of the season for his knee. HE JUST GOT HERE. We are cursed with a curse this season. Garrard got cut, but his eventually had back surgery so its looks like this was our fate from day one. ARRGGHHHHHHHHHHH

MSW didn't exactly strain himself fighting for the ball last week on that lob pass from Gabbert, and that surely could have been for injury reasons.  We're probably not worse off with Robiskie.  Plus, Robiskie went to a major conference school, so people can stop the ridiculous criticisms of Gene on that front for a day 

I agree Wacca. There is no GM that is going to get it all right. Its impossiable. Our Defense is stacked as we speak because of Gene. The offense...he's been hit and miss. But if you look back at some of our start players from our first team, they were left overs that were cut from other teams. Jimmy Smith, Keenan Mccardell and Fred Taylor to name a few. And the last WR the Browns cut and we picked up was.......... KeenanMcardell! Only if we could be so lucky this time.

However Im confused, we drafted Chastin West from the Gb practice squad and have not attempted to play him only but ONCE. And the one time we did, he caught the damn ball! But yet we keep putting Cecil shorts out there?? Im lost on that. I know Chastin has to learn the system but come on.

[duvaldude08]

Man that Salary cap doomed us. I was looking at some histroy and Mccardell was one of the players we had to release back then.. Tony Boselli was another. And there are serveral more. That is why it was a HUGE mistake to fire Coughlin. He lost his team, and his best players on top of that. He had to rebuild. Sadly he wasnt given time too and then came Del Ri-HOE.

[BridgeTroll]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/33720/vikings-stadium-lease-expiration-cometh

Vikings stadium: Lease expiration cometh

November, 2, 2011
Nov 29:38PM
By Kevin SeifertIt's all but official.

The Minnesota Vikings will be franchise free agents later this winter.

As you've probably heard by now, Minnesota Gov. Mark Dayton has canceled plans for a pre-Thanksgiving special session of the state legislature to affirm a new Vikings stadium. According to Dayton, there isn't enough legislative support to merit the effort. Barring a reversal in that sentiment, the Vikings' lease at the Metrodome will expire before the process resumes in the 2012 state legislature.

The Vikings issued a sternly-worded statement acknowledging they are "concerned" and "very disappointed" by the turn of events. The organization gave no indication about its next step, but it would be within its right to seek and/or respond to stadium proposals in markets outside the state early next year.

I think it's important not to be alarmist when you're watching what amounts to a billion-dollar negotiation from afar. A high-stake poker game is underway. Let's just say it's too early to start speculating on who would replace the Vikings in the NFC North after they move to Los Angeles.

At the very least, however, we can say that state leaders have surrendered the exclusive negotiating window they would have had this month, positioning themselves to spend more than they otherwise needed to on a stadium if they eventually approve one. They have also exposed themselves to the possibility of relocation.

And away we go ...

[I-10east]

I wanna talk a lil' bit more about the rookie QBs. Did anyone see the latest 'Real Talk with Bill Maher'? On ending closeout with 'New Rules', he ripped Tim Tebow to shreads. Maher was blunt, and I really couldn't disagree with what he was saying, all I can say is Wow! If you didn't see it, check out the replay in the next coming days. I can imagine that Gator fans are probably are gonna throw darts at his picture.

Lets talk about Cam-mania. I been holding off about this, and I know that I'm gonna catch alotta flak, but I don't give a damn. I guess in the modern NFL, when you throw for 300 yards in a coupla games (even as a veteran) then that QB is considered great, because there's nothing that arouses fantasy football lovers like high passing stats. Who has Cam Newton beat so far? Blaine Gabbert, BARELY in a freaking terrible Amazon thunderstorm, and John freaking Beck, who???yes John Beck for WAS. Can people hold up a lil' before anoiting this guy to the HOF already? Hell, if you gonna go ga-ga over any rookie QB, it should be Andy, with a freakin' 4-2 record, but NO, Dalton doesn't have the gaudy rushing TD's and passing stats that Cam has, and God only knows, there's NOTHING better than great passing stats, and a rushing TD in a loss. Not to mention, Cam's loss to Ponder already. I can only imagine Gabbert with a great reciever like Steve Smith. That's all I got, take it the way you wanna take it.

[duvaldude08]

I wanna talk a lil' bit more about the rookie QBs. Did anyone see the latest 'Real Talk with Bill Maher'? On ending closeout with 'New Rules', he ripped Tim Tebow to shreads. Maher was blunt, and I really couldn't disagree with what he was saying, all I can say is Wow! If you didn't see it, check out the replay in the next coming days. I can imagine that Gator fans are probably are gonna throw darts at his picture.

Lets talk about Cam-mania. I been holding off about this, and I know that I'm gonna catch alotta flak, but I don't give a damn. I guess in the modern NFL, when you throw for 300 yards in a coupla games (even as a veteran) then that QB is considered great, because there's nothing that arouses fantasy football lovers like high passing stats. Who has Cam Newton beat so far? Blaine Gabbert, BARELY in a freaking terrible Amazon thunderstorm, and John freaking Beck, who???yes John Beck for WAS. Can people hold up a lil' before anoiting this guy to the HOF already? Hell, if you gonna go ga-ga over any rookie QB, it should be Andy, with a freakin' 4-2 record, but NO, Dalton doesn't have the gaudy rushing TD's and passing stats that Cam has, and God only knows, there's NOTHING better than great passing stats, and a rushing TD in a loss. Not to mention, Cam's loss to Ponder already. I can only imagine Gabbert with a great reciever like Steve Smith. That's all I got, take it the way you wanna take it.

I agree with you all the way. I said that to myself to "If Cam is such a super hero, why do they have the same record we do?" He has flaws just as any rookie QB. heck if we had a receiver like Steve Smith Gabbert's numbers would look alot different. And I think its sad Anyd's performance is being overlooked. Andy and AJ having done a great job bringing some fire back to the Bengals. However we all know whatever the NFL media says is golden.But as I said before, every team has their own issues and situations. Evidentally the panthers needed more than a good QB because they still are not winning. As for the Jags, we needed a QB, wide receivers, and much more on the offense. Thats why I take it easy on sunshine. We have issues on our offense that is much deeper than a rookie QB making some bad passes.

[I-10east]

^^^Great minds think alike. Not to mention, along with Steve Smith; Jeremy Shockey and Greg Olsen are playing outta their freakin' minds; The Panthers might have the best TE tandem in the league right now.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

If the eye test hasn't done it for you, then there's always the numbers:
                                                                                                                               
No.   Name             Age   Pos   G   GS     QBrec   Cmp   Att    Cmp%    Yds       TD    Int  Lng   Y/A    Y/C      Y/G       Rate
1     Cam Newton   22    QB     8    8       2-6-0   174    287    60.6     2,393    11     9    77    8.3    13.8    299.1     87.1

Those are strong statistics.  The fact that he's only won 2 games falls squarely on the defense:
                                                                                                                                                                   
                               Totals                   Pass                                        Rush                             
                               Pts    Yds     Y/P    Yds      TD   Int  N.Yd/A            Yds      TD    Y/A
Team Defense        207  2,870   6.1   1,804    10    4      7.4              1,066   11     4.6   
League Ranking      28     17       15                       26     29                 29      31      24           


The Panthers are in the bottom 5 of all of the scoring satistics:  Total Points, Interceptions, Net Yds per Pass Attempt, Rushing Yds & Rushing TDs.  If the defense could step it up, then this team would be leading the NFC South.

Basically, if we could produce a bastard child of the Panthers Offense and the Jags Defense, we could probably mention the words 'Super Bowl' in public.  So, yeah, despite the record, I think Cam is that good.

[I-10east]

^^^Oh yeah, that Minn lost REALLY fell on the D; It wasn't Cam's piss poor pocket awareness allowing TWO stripped balls, both recovered by the Vikes.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

I didn't see the game so I can't comment on those couple of plays to lay blame.  Was it awareness or did the tackle whiff on a block?

But I can say that Newton drove them down to the opponents 13 yd line before Mare missed a chip-shot kick to put it in overtime.

He also rushed to make 1st and ten inside the 10yd line but it was called back for a hold.  Once again, I didn't see the game, so maybe the hold was the reason he got the yards or maybe he had the yards in spite of the hold.  I don't know.

[I-10east]

I didn't see the game so I can't comment on those couple of plays to lay blame.  Was it awareness or did the tackle whiff on a block?

I saw the game highlights on Xfinity. Concerning the fumbles, what Cam needs to learn how to do is tuck the ball, and take a sack every now and then; Both of those fumbles lead to Vikes TD's. Blaine Gabbert has been in that situation many a times already with our inconsistent O-Line. Instead of feeling the pressure, tucking the ball and taking a sack, Cam has the ball exposed way too long still poised to throw, unaware of what trouble he's in.

But I can say that Newton drove them down to the opponents 13 yd line before Mare missed a chip-shot kick to put it in overtime.

He also rushed to make 1st and ten inside the 10yd line but it was called back for a hold.  Once again, I didn't see the game, so maybe the hold was the reason he got the yards or maybe he had the yards in spite of the hold.  I don't know.

You're right about that kicker shanking it. I'm not even saying that Cam isn't gonna be good, because I think he is, but the media is going crazy, like this guy is undefeated or something; Alot like the overblown Tim Tebow win against MIA, people should take a deep breath, and wait and see how things play out before crowning him the king of all rookies just yet, that's all I'm saying.

I don't think that holding play was significant; Xfinity didn't show it; the Panthers might have scored on that drive.

[I-10east]

^^^Check that NRW, that holding call was significant as it was the Panthers last drive with the Mare miss; I just saw it on NBC's 'Turning Point' Although that's just all 'woulda, shoulda, coulda' Monday morning QB. Unfortunate and untimely holding calls sometimes are part of the game.   

[duvaldude08]

Basically, if we could produce a bastard child of the Panthers Offense and the Jags Defense, we could probably mention the words 'Super Bowl' in public.  So, yeah, despite the record, I think Cam is that good.

Same thing I was thinking the other day! LOL Looks like their defense is their issue, and our offense is ours.

[I-10east]

Congrats Lake on your Phins finally winning a game this year. I know that they are really partying hard down there in South Beach. Hopefully my Jags will defeat Indy next week, and keep them the only winless team in the league; If not, time for me to gather the torches, and pitchforks.