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[duvaldude08]

So far, this SD vs KC MNF game isn't exactly a barn burner with the Chiefs holding on to a 13-12 lead at the start of the fourth. I'll be surprised if the ratings aren't dismal.

Yeah I cant see, but Im on NfL.com and from what I am reading it is a mess of of turnovers on both sides.

[duvaldude08]

Did anyone notice the 62-7 curse? The saints did exactly what we did. Won big then collapsed the next week. Although our collapse was worse because we were in the playoffs.

[I-10east]

^^^Good point. If a team is up 61-7, time to go for a two-point conversion, to avoid the curse. LOL

[I-10east]

That MNF game starting getting good in the fourth quarter. I'm glad the Chiefs won (23-20) I can't stand the Chargers. In overtime on the Chiefs game winning drive, they effectively used Devin McCluster on HB flat plays, isolating him in space; Deji Karim is a similiar player, and he should be isolated out on the flats, but of course we are retarded and we never run plays that best fit an individual player. We rather run Deji up the middle on a wham like he's Peyton Hillis or somebody.

[duvaldude08]

^^^Good point. If a team is up 61-7, time to go for a two-point conversion, to avoid the curse. LOL

Bingo!

[duvaldude08]

That MNF game starting getting good in the fourth quarter. I'm glad the Chiefs won (23-20) I can't stand the Chargers. In overtime on the Chiefs game winning drive, they effectively used Devin McCluster on HB flat plays, isolating him in space; Deji Karim is a similiar player, and he should be isolated out on the flats, but of course we are retarded and we never run plays that best fit an individual player. We rather run Deji up the middle on a wham like he's Peyton Hillis or somebody.

Actually Ive noticed weve started trying to do plays similar to that now and they havent been working. Either him or MJD always dropped the ball. I think its because its not how they are you used to play. Some stuff requires practice practice pratice in the offseason. Im glad this nightmare is halfway over for us Jags fan. This season has depressed me (LOL)

[duvaldude08]

Just found the new forbes listing from this year and the Jaguars dont look bad. Yes were still the "least valuable team" at 725 million, but taking a look at th revenue number, they have constantly went up ever since 2002. And Thats a relief that we have not lost any revenue.

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2011/30/nfl-valuations-11_Jacksonville-Jaguars_306892.html

[BridgeTroll]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/01/vikings-quiet-in-the-wake-of-shift-in-funding-plan/

Vikings quiet in the wake of shift in funding plan

Posted by Mike Florio on November 1, 2011, 10:29 PM EDT

Earlier today, Minnesota Governor Mark Dayton announced that a meeting with legislative leaders had resulted in a conclusion that a proposed Vikings stadium funded in part by a local sales tax won’t happen without a public vote.  Some of you have expressed, in strong terms, that this decision doesn’t kill the project.

Unless the powers-that-be can come up with another $350 million to replace the local contribution, it does.

Most telling in this regard is the absence of any statement from the Vikings in the wake of the announcement.  Recently, the Vikings had been firing off announcements after every twist and turn in the process.

Today?  Nothing.

PFT also sent an email to Vikings V.P. of business affairs and stadium development Lester Bagley (pictured), who has appeared at least three times on PFT Live to discuss the project.

In response?  Nothing.

This simply isn’t a matter of finding a forgotten wad of $350 million in an old pair of pants.  It’s been a delicate process from the start, and it won’t be easy to replace the third leg of the funding stool.  The fact that the Vikings haven’t issued a formal statement on such an important development confirms that.

UPDATE 10:43 p.m. ET:  The Vikings haven’t been completely silent.  Bagley spoke on the matter today.  “We have a local partner, it’s Ramsey County. We have an ideal site, it’s Arden Hills,” Bagley said, via FOX 9. “We have had zero talks with Minneapolis. We have a partner and it’s Arden Hills.  There’s time to pull this together.  We’re confident our leaders can get this done.”  His comment really doesn’t address the elimination of a sales tax as an option for raising the local contribution.

UPDATE 10:50 p.m. ET:  PFT has now received a response from Bagley.  “We still have a couple months before the lease expires,” Bagley said in an email to PFT.  “The good news [is that] all 4 Legislative leaders [and] Governor are working together, trying to resolve it, for the first time ever.  Today was mostly about the process moving forward, narrowing the focus. There are still enough revenue streams on the table that would resolve this issue in Minnesota. Replacing $350 [million] from Ramsey County will be difficult.  We look forward to seeing the State’s comprehensive finance plan.”

Responses to “Vikings quiet in the wake of shift in funding plan”
apooster says:
Nov 1, 2011 10:31 PM
I hope the MN State Legislature enjoy their time there, because there is no way in hell they will be re-elected if they let the Vikings leave.

skoobyfl says:
Nov 1, 2011 10:39 PM
Sure toss $350 Million at a NFL team instead of watching the locals survive, brilliant.

  scudbot says:
Nov 1, 2011 10:39 PM
Do you want a football team or not? Does this have to be the signature issue for whatever your political beliefs are no matter what the cost?

Have any idea how many other communities would do almost anything to get an NFL franchise even if it meant another 1/2 of 1% in sales tax for a few years and even if it sucked currently?

johnnyb216 says:
Nov 1, 2011 10:41 PM
Uh oh!!!!! LA northstars!!!! Don’t even bother leaving the colors and record books in Minnesota. This state could obviously care less! Besides, who is going to bring a professional football team to a market that couldn’t even sell out a playoff game? It’s pretty obvious that the vikings don’t have enough fans to remain in Minnesota. And I’m sure that ill hear this and that about their fanbase being sooo dedicated. Well let me tell you, I’m sure that’s true. Just like its true for every sports franchise in the entire world! The main problem here is that there just isn’t enough of them for it to matter. SKOL LA NORTHSTARS!!!!

ishallcomment says:
Nov 1, 2011 10:42 PM
LA (new names) go to NFC West
STL Rams go to AFC South
IND Colts go to NFC North

[copperfiend]

but of course we are retarded and we never run plays that best fit an individual player

Do you really believe that? McCluster is a superior player to Karim. They use him in those situations because he is a playmaker. If the Jaguars had McCluster, they would have a lot more plays designed to get the ball in his hands than they do for Karim. If Rashad Jennings had not gotten injured, Karim would barely see the field.

[Jason]

ishallcomment says:
Nov 1, 2011 10:42 PM
LA (new names) go to NFC West
STL Rams go to AFC South
IND Colts go to NFC North

In response to this comment I think 2 simple swaps could easily balance the geographic designators for the AFC and NFC.

First, switch Indy and Miami in the AFC.  There is no reason to have those two teams playing in a division that is the opposite of their geographic location.  Furthermore, it'll give Jax more opportunities at a playoff birth 

Second, switch Carolina and Dallas.  Same reasons as above. 

I think that will better represent the North, South, East, & West divisions of each conference and strengthen some more division rivalries.  Just imagine how popular a Miami vs Jax division game would be.  or Dallas/New Orleans, etc.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

First, switch Indy and Miami in the AFC.  There is no reason to have those two teams playing in a division that is the opposite of their geographic location.  Furthermore, it'll give Jax more opportunities at a playoff birth 

??  Indy = AFC South, Miami = AFC East  ??  Plus, I think that the Bills and Jets would have a little something to say about having the play the Pats and Colts each twice a year.

Tennessee & Miami......  Maybe.

Second, switch Carolina and Dallas.  Same reasons as above.

I think there's already too much history built between those franchises to split them up.  Besides, the Cowboys are 'America's Team', they are not bound by geography. 

Just imagine how popular a Miami vs Jax division game would be. 

This I agree with, I just have a feeling that these would be two games that would end up being played in Orlando twice a year.  It's all about ticket sales and makin' that dolla'!

[duvaldude08]

Well now Sime-Walker is on IR for the rest of the season for his knee. HE JUST GOT HERE. We are cursed with a curse this season. Garrard got cut, but his eventually had back surgery so its looks like this was our fate from day one. ARRGGHHHHHHHHHHH

[Keith-N-Jax]

Orlando would first have to upgrade its stadium., but I like the idea.

[Jason]

??  Indy = AFC South, Miami = AFC East  ??  Plus, I think that the Bills and Jets would have a little something to say about having the play the Pats and Colts each twice a year.

Tennessee & Miami......  Maybe.

I'm not following you.  Are you suggesting moving the Tits to the AFC East and The Fins to the South?

Indy is MUCH further north.  At least Tennessee is considered the "south".

Miami is just as much out of place as Indy.  The rest of the AFC East is above Jersey!


IMO, keeping division games within a tighter region would help traveling fans and boost local economies.  Would you rather travel to Indy to support the Jags or to Miami?  Isn't Philly and Washinton closer to Carolina, etc.

[Wacca Pilatka]

Geographically practical ideas, but they will never happen because they would disrupt longstanding traditional rivalries. 

As moribund as the Dolphins may look now, they have long-standing and intense rivalries with the Bills, Jets, and Patriots; those three have always been in the same division since the 1960 founding of the AFL and the Dolphins have been with them since they joined the league in 1966 (IIRC). 

The Cowboys/Giants/Eagles/Redskins axis will never be broken despite its geographical absurdity.  Way too many years of being together in the same division and hating each other.

The real geographical strangers in a strange land are the Rams, sentenced to the "West" from St. Louis and sharing space with three teams that are really Pacific coast.  I'm not sure that the rivalries in that division are particularly intense either.  Only the Rams and 49ers have been "together" for a long time, and the Rams were in Los Angeles for most of that time.  But there's really nowhere else to put the Rams, unless they were to move back to Los Angeles.