The Jacksonville Jaguars

[MusicMan]

From Wiki:

"On September 2, 2017, Lambo was released by the Chargers after losing the starting kicker job to rookie Younghoe Koo."

We'll see.........................

Personally I think this is a mistake.   

[Snaketoz]

Blizz01, it's totally opposite in my world. I rarely come in contact with people on a day-to-day basis making a fuss about it. If anything, I've had more contact with people who don't care and those that call themselves boycotting the sport until Kaep gets picked up by a team. As for me, I tell them if they don't want to go, then don't. The game will still be played for the rest of us. And for those willing to use their platform, whatever that platform is, to improve and bring awareness to social justice issues, go for it.

If I may, I'd like to put my two cents worth into this kneeling issue.  I'm from a conservative background, born and raised in Jacksonville, and most people my age seem to be playing their anger at "the disrespect" shown to vets, the flag, our way of life, etc.  What a crock!  I'm in my 70s, an Army veteran, and served in Vietnam in 66-67.  I can't agree with the NFL boycotters at all.  Most of the ones I know never made any effort to attend a game ever, and never will.  And, the majority never served in the military either.  If I served my country and fought for your freedom and  liberty, how can I say that you don't have the liberty to exercise your freedoms?  You can't have it both ways.  Stop politicizing everything.  Stop inferring that only those who agree with your political views have a right to exercise their freedom. 

[77danj7]

An apology by Lamping.Interesting.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/sports/nfl/jacksonville-jaguars/jaguars-president-apologizes-to-city-over-london-anthem-protest/483944156

Should be noted that it's not an overt apology for kneeling during the anthem, but an apology for the Jaguars organization failing to fully recognize the context (on foreign soil, followed by standing for God Save the Queen).



Well-written, well-intentioned, good faith apology that I'm certain is going to be spun as a backtrack by the Times-Union because of Rams attendance.

The letter is dated for 10/6/2017 so it was well before the poor attendance at the Rams game (although I am sure that won't be covered by the Times)

[Tacachale]

An apology by Lamping.Interesting.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/sports/nfl/jacksonville-jaguars/jaguars-president-apologizes-to-city-over-london-anthem-protest/483944156

Should be noted that it's not an overt apology for kneeling during the anthem, but an apology for the Jaguars organization failing to fully recognize the context (on foreign soil, followed by standing for God Save the Queen).



Well-written, well-intentioned, good faith apology that I'm certain is going to be spun as a backtrack by the Times-Union because of Rams attendance.

The letter is dated for 10/6/2017 so it was well before the poor attendance at the Rams game (although I am sure that won't be covered by the Times)

Probably not, since it wasn't released until today. Most likely they were waiting to see what the attendance would be like before they sent it.

EDIT - Apparently it was sent to the city on the 6th, and the city sat on it for the last 11 days.

[pierre]

I usually watch Red Zone on Sundays and I will tell you attendance was down in a lot of places.

In Baltimore they announced a sellout, which is around 70k. But there were easily 10k-15k empty seats for their game against Chicago.

I don't how much is directly related to the anthem protest and how much is fan apathy towards an organization that has only made the playoffs once in the past five seasons.

[jaxjags]

Blizz01, it's totally opposite in my world. I rarely come in contact with people on a day-to-day basis making a fuss about it. If anything, I've had more contact with people who don't care and those that call themselves boycotting the sport until Kaep gets picked up by a team. As for me, I tell them if they don't want to go, then don't. The game will still be played for the rest of us. And for those willing to use their platform, whatever that platform is, to improve and bring awareness to social justice issues, go for it.

If I may, I'd like to put my two cents worth into this kneeling issue.  I'm from a conservative background, born and raised in Jacksonville, and most people my age seem to be playing their anger at "the disrespect" shown to vets, the flag, our way of life, etc.  What a crock!  I'm in my 70s, an Army veteran, and served in Vietnam in 66-67.  I can't agree with the NFL boycotters at all.  Most of the ones I know never made any effort to attend a game ever, and never will.  And, the majority never served in the military either.  If I served my country and fought for your freedom and  liberty, how can I say that you don't have the liberty to exercise your freedoms?  You can't have it both ways.  Stop politicizing everything.  Stop inferring that only those who agree with your political views have a right to exercise their freedom.

I totally agree with your position. I went to college in the early 70's. Hell we protested every thing in those days. Did it mean we hated our country or flag or armed services. No, not at all. It was a way to make a statement. Today every thing does become political and we have become a segmented society. We now are white or black, gay or straight, disabled or not. Why not just be American and remember our right to peaceful protest.

[Adam White]

I'm in my 70s, an Army veteran, and served in Vietnam in 66-67.  I can't agree with the NFL boycotters at all.  Most of the ones I know never made any effort to attend a game ever, and never will.  And, the majority never served in the military either.  If I served my country and fought for your freedom and  liberty, how can I say that you don't have the liberty to exercise your freedoms? 

How the fuck does killing Vietnamese people equate to "[fighting] for [our] freedom and liberty?" No VC ever had any issue with Americans doing anything in America.

Neither did the Koreans, Granadans, Panamanians, etc. Going around the world and enforcing American foreign policy at gunpoint doesn't equate to preserving freedom and liberty for Americans. It usually amounts to denying freedom and liberty to other people. And usually because those people have something that Americans (or their leaders) desire.

[Adam White]

I'm in my 70s, an Army veteran, and served in Vietnam in 66-67.  I can't agree with the NFL boycotters at all.  Most of the ones I know never made any effort to attend a game ever, and never will.  And, the majority never served in the military either.  If I served my country and fought for your freedom and  liberty, how can I say that you don't have the liberty to exercise your freedoms? 

And usually because those people have something that Americans (or their leaders) desire.

You're god damn right. And if we ever need help laundering money, watch out because we're coming over there too.

Funny you would say that - because I work in AML regulation and the USA is really behind a lot of the world (well...) when it comes to combating money laundering.

[Snaketoz]

I'm in my 70s, an Army veteran, and served in Vietnam in 66-67.  I can't agree with the NFL boycotters at all.  Most of the ones I know never made any effort to attend a game ever, and never will.  And, the majority never served in the military either.  If I served my country and fought for your freedom and  liberty, how can I say that you don't have the liberty to exercise your freedoms? 

How the fuck does killing Vietnamese people equate to "[fighting] for [our] freedom and liberty?" No VC ever had any issue with Americans doing anything in America.

I agree 100%.  I was completely disillusioned after going to Vietnam.  Nothing the U.S. did in  Vietnam has anything whatsoever to do with freedom and liberty.  That is exactly what I meant.  These people who display all of this fake indignation over the kneeling during the Star Spangled Banner, are complete morons.  If they are incensed by people exercising these rights and freedoms, why even send our citizens over to a 3rd world country to "fight for our freedom"?  And, the instigator in chief, Donald J. Trump, is a prime example of these morons.  He is a coward, didn't serve, and now calls out everyone who doesn't fit in with his new patriotism.  He wants to rile his robotic followers to draw attention away from his idiotic policies.  Suddenly, the symbols of freedom are more important than freedom itself.

[Adam White]

I'm in my 70s, an Army veteran, and served in Vietnam in 66-67.  I can't agree with the NFL boycotters at all.  Most of the ones I know never made any effort to attend a game ever, and never will.  And, the majority never served in the military either.  If I served my country and fought for your freedom and  liberty, how can I say that you don't have the liberty to exercise your freedoms? 

How the fuck does killing Vietnamese people equate to "[fighting] for [our] freedom and liberty?" No VC ever had any issue with Americans doing anything in America.

I agree 100%.  I was completely disillusioned after going to Vietnam.  Nothing the U.S. did in  Vietnam has anything whatsoever to do with freedom and liberty.  That is exactly what I meant.  These people who display all of this fake indignation over the kneeling during the Star Spangled Banner, are complete morons.  If they are incensed by people exercising these rights and freedoms, why even send our citizens over to a 3rd world country to "fight for our freedom"?  And, the instigator in chief, Donald J. Trump, is a prime example of these morons.  He is a coward, didn't serve, and now calls out everyone who doesn't fit in with his new patriotism.  He wants to rile his robotic followers to draw attention away from his idiotic policies.  Suddenly, the symbols of freedom are more important than freedom itself.

Sorry if I came across a bit harsh. I just get wound up when people claim (not you, as clearly noted in your first comment) that they have some sort of "right" garnered by "fighting for your freedom" or whatever. Let's be fair about it - Americans are really fortunate to have been able to survive generally unmolested since the War of 1812 or so. Granted, Hitler and Co might've become more of a nuisance if the USA (and Stalin) hadn't sorted him out. But still.

This is probably one of the more insightful comments I've read in a while:

Suddenly, the symbols of freedom are more important than freedom itself.

Great way to put it. It's all a form of political correctness - using the imagery of America to hide a pernicious agenda that is completely un-American.

[Adam White]

Granted, Hitler and Co might've become more of a nuisance if the USA (and Stalin) hadn't sorted him out. But still.

Nuisance?

Deliberately understated for effect. Try not to take everything so literally.

[BridgeTroll]

Rofl... Thanks Matt... 

[Adam White]

Granted, Hitler and Co might've become more of a nuisance if the USA (and Stalin) hadn't sorted him out. But still.

Nuisance?

Try not to take everything so literally.

Granted, Hitler and Co might've become more of a nuisance if the USA (and Stalin) hadn't sorted him out. But still.

Nuisance?

Deliberately understated for effect. Try not to take everything so literally.

C'mon, give this simpleton a break and forgive me for not recognizing that it was "Deliberately understated for effect". Your literary skills are clearly being wasted on the likes of me.
On the other hand, Is it possible that if I had taken you associating the word nuisance with Hitler "so literally", I might have responded with something a bit more dramatic? Wait, that wouldn't have been nuanced enough.  Oh. no... was I too understated? Not understated enough? Unintentionally overstated?

Dag Gummitt, now I have done gone and confused myself! Oh.. you big city types. I get so flustered around your fancy sophistication and all.


Just to clarify, I am deliberately being a sarcastic asshole. For effect.

I figured you were being sarcastic. The chip on your shoulder seems genuine enough, though.

[Snaketoz]

Congrats to the Jaguars for shutting Indy out today.  Great defense, the passing game worked, and special teams did a good job as well.  Now, after the bye, how about a win at home?

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Congrats to the Jaguars for shutting Indy out today.  Great defense, the passing game worked, and special teams did a good job as well.  Now, after the bye, how about a win at home?

How'd it feel to not hold your breath during every kick?  I kind of enjoyed it.

I really figured Pagano would have kicked the FG at the end to prevent the shutout.  The win was already out, might as well not have your name tied to the last home shutout since week 11 of the '93 season.