The Jacksonville Jaguars

[Steve]

^I don't necessarily get that. While the Packers are doing the entertainment thing now, historically there hasn't been much around Lambeau save for some large tailgate lots.

Green Bay is a different animal for many reasons, and keep in mind they played 2-3 games a year in Milwaukee until 1994.

[BridgeTroll]

^I don't necessarily get that. While the Packers are doing the entertainment thing now, historically there hasn't been much around Lambeau save for some large tailgate lots.

Green Bay is a different animal for many reasons, and keep in mind they played 2-3 games a year in Milwaukee until 1994.

Yes... and the reason that changed was to make GB and Lambeau the destination.  Milwaukee never had problems selling tickets... but that is all they had.  The area around Lambeau back then was residential suburban and strip mall retail.  The residential remain but Packers Inc bought up the strip malls etc and are developing the Titletown district.  Again... am certainly not trying to compare GB and the Jags... just the concept of the stadium district and team/s as a destination...

[Tacachale]

Green Bay's market area isn't really as small as people seem to claim. In reality it includes Milwaukee, even though it's 2 hours away, and all the rest of Wisconsin, not to mention the "Packers diaspora" around the country. It's unique that they never moved to Milwaukee, in the way that many other small town teams moved to bigger cities in the 30s, but they never would have survived if their market was just Green Bay. The market is really more similar to college football teams, which are often in fairly remote small towns, but draw people in from larger cities and across the state every week.

And yes, the stadium district improvements are a relatively recent vintage. Not that long ago, no one, least of all in Green Bay, would have thought you could successfully turn a football field into development like that. It's an interesting idea, as it brings more life than a football field can on its own, and therefore may be a better investment of public money than a lot of stadium improvements. I haven't been, but from what I've heard the Lambeau area is pretty impressive now.

[spuwho]

^I don't necessarily get that. While the Packers are doing the entertainment thing now, historically there hasn't been much around Lambeau save for some large tailgate lots.

Green Bay is a different animal for many reasons, and keep in mind they played 2-3 games a year in Milwaukee until 1994.

Yes... and the reason that changed was to make GB and Lambeau the destination.  Milwaukee never had problems selling tickets... but that is all they had.  The area around Lambeau back then was residential suburban and strip mall retail.  The residential remain but Packers Inc bought up the strip malls etc and are developing the Titletown district.  Again... am certainly not trying to compare GB and the Jags... just the concept of the stadium district and team/s as a destination...

LOL. Try to sell Lambeau as a destination when its 15 degrees and minus 5 wind chill factor.

I know a lot of people who go to the Packers Museum, but they go in the summer when its 82 and 30 percent humidity. The only players around then are rookies and guys off IR.

Even Brett Favre went back to Hattiesburg during the offseason.

[BridgeTroll]

^I don't necessarily get that. While the Packers are doing the entertainment thing now, historically there hasn't been much around Lambeau save for some large tailgate lots.

Green Bay is a different animal for many reasons, and keep in mind they played 2-3 games a year in Milwaukee until 1994.

Yes... and the reason that changed was to make GB and Lambeau the destination.  Milwaukee never had problems selling tickets... but that is all they had.  The area around Lambeau back then was residential suburban and strip mall retail.  The residential remain but Packers Inc bought up the strip malls etc and are developing the Titletown district.  Again... am certainly not trying to compare GB and the Jags... just the concept of the stadium district and team/s as a destination...

LOL. Try to sell Lambeau as a destination when its 15 degrees and minus 5 wind chill factor.

I know a lot of people who go to the Packers Museum, but they go in the summer when its 82 and 30 percent humidity. The only players around then are rookies and guys off IR.

Even Brett Favre went back to Hattiesburg during the offseason.

Another reason Jacksonville has an advantage... Those temps and conditions might be nostalgic for a football game but very few from warmer climates will venture the the Lambeau destination during Jan - March.  The rest of the year they do quite well with tourism... predictions are that the Titletown district will only improve attendance year around...

[BridgeTroll]

Here is a Google map view of the area around Lambeau.  Clearly mostly residential.  The strip mall area to the northwest along the Lombardi access road has been bought and demolished by Packers Inc and is currently being developed as the Titletown district...

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.5023804,-88.0612898,1361m/data=!3m1!1e3

The Metro Park area and Shipyards are has such HUGE advantages...

[RattlerGator]

So no competition to push your QB? All those signings will go to waste if he's still the pick six king of the NFL.

Listen, man, I'll not have you conjuring up horror tales from seasons past in March dammit!

Let me have my sunshine, man. Please, pretty please.

[RattlerGator]

As for the Green Bay thing, I agree with I-10 East. It's one of the very few serious mistakes Lamping has made that reminds all he (like many transplants) doesn't quite get this city and who we are. Just stop with the Green Bay thing. Yes, New Orleans is much more applicable and even that is a stretch.

The Packers aren't merely a Green Bay team or a Wisconsin team; they are a national phenomenon. We will likely never attain that status. Further, we're very restricted in any attempt to become more of a regional team. The Falcons and Panthers to the North, the Bucs and Dolphins to the South. Savannah and Brunswick, Tallahassee and Gainesville, Orlando and Daytona -- the Jaguars can definitely grow some interest, sure, but perhaps not as much as they might like.

But challenges present opportunities, right? And the Jaguars are going to knock this district development out of the park, I think. A downtown in desperate need, a beautiful riverfront that is primed for development -- this is quite an opportunity. It is underappreciated but we have a very real opportunity to create the Indianapolis-effect here downtown and perhaps -- perhaps-- do it even better. That will be absolutely unique in the State of Florida -- a true sports and entertainment district downtown.

These are exciting times for Downtown Jacksonville. #InShadWeTrust

[I-10east]

Green Bay's market area isn't really as small as people seem to claim. In reality it includes Milwaukee, even though it's 2 hours away, and all the rest of Wisconsin, not to mention the "Packers diaspora" around the country. It's unique that they never moved to Milwaukee, in the way that many other small town teams moved to bigger cities in the 30s, but they never would have survived if their market was just Green Bay. The market is really more similar to college football teams, which are often in fairly remote small towns, but draw people in from larger cities and across the state every week.

I agree with everything except GB's market size, which I think is very small. GB is far outta MIL's CSA. Milwaukee is closer to Chicago than Green Bay.

[I-10east]

What are some NFL teams that does a good job with making the stadium area multi use with organization related extra attractions, outside of just having a stadium? The ones that come to mind are GB of course, NE, and an upstart JAX. Can anyone think of any others? Hearing Mark Lamping talk about the connection with the Doro district to the stadium, revitalizing the Hogan Creek area reminded me of the convos here on MJ. I can't wait to see the Jags other 5 revenue streams!  

[Keith-N-Jax]

I think New England is, Denver maybe or is that their baseball stadium? Maybe MJ can do a thread on this someday before the NFL seasons starts

[JaxAvondale]

I think the best case scenario is the area around Wembley.

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5563226,-0.2833657,3a,75y,44.56h,100.75t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sgTdfUcPrPKwPdmje0Q2h_w!2e0!3e2!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5611642,-0.2797287,3a,75y,3.96h,91.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seCuzSzl55sc_rv6_cAxNbQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

[Keith-N-Jax]

Right but I though he was talking about US stadiums, anyway Wembley  is a great example. I went to the game in 2013, its like a city itself around the the stadium, hotels, shopping, restaurants, train station, etc. I guess Khan would like something similar to this type of environment.

[Steve]

What are some NFL teams that does a good job with making the stadium area multi use with organization related extra attractions, outside of just having a stadium? The ones that come to mind are GB of course, NE, and an upstart JAX. Can anyone think of any others? Hearing Mark Lamping talk about the connection with the Doro district to the stadium, revitalizing the Hogan Creek area reminded me of the convos here on MJ. I can't wait to see the Jags other 5 revenue streams!  

Sounds like a great article topic. Some that I know of:

"Man Made"
New England (Stadium is nowhere near Boston so it works well)
Green Bay (coming soon)
LA (coming soon)

Natural (Stadium in a dense urban environment)
Chicago (Sort of)
Baltimore (Sort of)
Pittsburgh (Sort of)
Indianapolis
Detroit
Minnesota
Atlanta (Sort of)
New Orleans

Hybrid (Stadium in downtown but new development around stadium)
Cincinnati (they built garages and buildings around the new stadiums that were previously parking lots.

[I-10east]

^^^Thanks Steve, can't believe that I forgot about LA.