The Jacksonville Jaguars

[pierre]

I really cannot understand why Khan has not made the move to fire Gus yet.

Should have done it after last year.

Should have done it after the Tennessee debacle.

This team is rudderless.

[Adam White]

Don't fret, guys. It's a re-building year.

I mean decade. It's a re-building decade.

[MusicMan]

Well, according to a parallel thread on MJ, Forbes Magazine states that Khan has made a virtual profit of over $1,000,000,000 on the Jags, in 5 years.

So why change anything?

[pierre]

Well, according to a parallel thread on MJ, Forbes Magazine states that Khan has made a virtual profit of over $1,000,000,000 on the Jags, in 5 years.

So why change anything?

You don't have to win to make a ton of money in the NFL.

The Browns are likely to go 0-16 this year. They will increase in value and make millions.

I just assume (perhaps ignorantly) that Khan would be embarrassed by how bad his team has been as long as he has been owner.

He took over a bad situation from Wayne Weaver. And somehow the product on the field is worse.

Khan's record as owner is 16-58. And they've never beaten a team with a winning record.

[Tacachale]

He'd be making a lot more money if the team were winning consistently. More ticket sales, more merch, etc. Khan's also got the problem that a lot of his big plans off field depend on the good will and confidence he's built up in the city, and the Jags being a basement team threatens that.

For some teams, the owners can bank even when the team's losing (or not selling well) by simply not spending money.  This is the Donald Sterling strategy. However, that's clearly not what Khan's doing. He's been spending on players and staff, spending on facilities since he got here. He can't be happy with what's happening.

[Adam White]

Well, according to a parallel thread on MJ, Forbes Magazine states that Khan has made a virtual profit of over $1,000,000,000 on the Jags, in 5 years.

So why change anything?

You don't have to win to make a ton of money in the NFL.

The Browns are likely to go 0-16 this year. They will increase in value and make millions.

I just assume (perhaps ignorantly) that Khan would be embarrassed by how bad his team has been as long as he has been owner.

He took over a bad situation from Wayne Weaver. And somehow the product on the field is worse.

Khan's record as owner is 16-58. And they've never beaten a team with a winning record.

His soccer team sucks, too. They finished 12th the season before he bought them. After the sale, they finished 19th and were relegated to the second division. The following season, they finished 20th and just narrowly escaped relegation to the third division. They are currently sitting at a 'respectable' 8th place in the second division. But there are 29 games left in the season and they're only three points (one win) from being in the lower half of the table...

[Adam White]

He'd be making a lot more money if the team were winning consistently. More ticket sales, more merch, etc. Khan's also got the problem that a lot of his big plans off field depend on the good will and confidence he's built up in the city, and the Jags being a basement team threatens that.

For some teams, the owners can bank even when the team's losing (or not selling well) by simply not spending money.  This is the Donald Sterling strategy. However, that's clearly not what Khan's doing. He's been spending on players and staff, spending on facilities since he got here. He can't be happy with what's happening.

I remember being told that the Bucs were the most profitable team in the league during the Culverhouse years, though I don't know if that's true or not. And the Bucs suuuuuuuuuucked.

[spuwho]

Did anyone see Jalen Ramsey crying on the sideline after he was flagged on the field goal leap?

The losing is starting to get to them.

[pierre]

He'd be making a lot more money if the team were winning consistently. More ticket sales, more merch, etc. Khan's also got the problem that a lot of his big plans off field depend on the good will and confidence he's built up in the city, and the Jags being a basement team threatens that.

For some teams, the owners can bank even when the team's losing (or not selling well) by simply not spending money.  This is the Donald Sterling strategy. However, that's clearly not what Khan's doing. He's been spending on players and staff, spending on facilities since he got here. He can't be happy with what's happening.

I remember being told that the Bucs were the most profitable team in the league during the Culverhouse years, though I don't know if that's true or not. And the Bucs suuuuuuuuuucked.

Not sure about most profitable but they were definitely profitable.

I grew up in Tampa and Culverhouse was a world-famous cheap bastard and the Bucs were terrible. But he still made money so he did not care.

[pierre]

Did anyone see Jalen Ramsey crying on the sideline after he was flagged on the field goal leap?

The losing is starting to get to them.

You could even see him mouth something like "I'm tired of losing". And he's been here for 10 games!

[Adam White]

He'd be making a lot more money if the team were winning consistently. More ticket sales, more merch, etc. Khan's also got the problem that a lot of his big plans off field depend on the good will and confidence he's built up in the city, and the Jags being a basement team threatens that.

For some teams, the owners can bank even when the team's losing (or not selling well) by simply not spending money.  This is the Donald Sterling strategy. However, that's clearly not what Khan's doing. He's been spending on players and staff, spending on facilities since he got here. He can't be happy with what's happening.

I remember being told that the Bucs were the most profitable team in the league during the Culverhouse years, though I don't know if that's true or not. And the Bucs suuuuuuuuuucked.

Not sure about most profitable but they were definitely profitable.

I grew up in Tampa and Culverhouse was a world-famous cheap bastard and the Bucs were terrible. But he still made money so he did not care.

My wife's grandmother was his secretary for a long time. She didn't say anything about the team being the most profitable - I heard that from a football fan once (my old boss when I was in college). But my wife's grandmother said Culverhouse always treated her very well.

[thelakelander]

So what's the Jag's biggest problem on the field? Is it a talent issue, coaching or both? Seems that they've been competitive but find a different way to lose each week. Eliminate the pick 6s and strange interceptions off WR's feet and a few Ls could be Ws.

[Tacachale]

He'd be making a lot more money if the team were winning consistently. More ticket sales, more merch, etc. Khan's also got the problem that a lot of his big plans off field depend on the good will and confidence he's built up in the city, and the Jags being a basement team threatens that.

For some teams, the owners can bank even when the team's losing (or not selling well) by simply not spending money.  This is the Donald Sterling strategy. However, that's clearly not what Khan's doing. He's been spending on players and staff, spending on facilities since he got here. He can't be happy with what's happening.

I remember being told that the Bucs were the most profitable team in the league during the Culverhouse years, though I don't know if that's true or not. And the Bucs suuuuuuuuuucked.

Not sure about most profitable but they were definitely profitable.

I grew up in Tampa and Culverhouse was a world-famous cheap bastard and the Bucs were terrible. But he still made money so he did not care.

My wife's grandmother was his secretary for a long time. She didn't say anything about the team being the most profitable - I heard that from a football fan once (my old boss when I was in college). But my wife's grandmother said Culverhouse always treated her very well.

Apparently, the Bucs were among the most profitable teams during Culverhouse's time. Culverhouse made strong profits because he kept his payroll and expenses a lot lower than the revenue, even though his revenues were mediocre. That was back when NFL teams could actually lose money; apparently the Super Bowl champs lost more money than the Buccs made one year. He (and his successors after he died) benefited from the growth of the league during the time they owned the team.

[Adam White]

He'd be making a lot more money if the team were winning consistently. More ticket sales, more merch, etc. Khan's also got the problem that a lot of his big plans off field depend on the good will and confidence he's built up in the city, and the Jags being a basement team threatens that.

For some teams, the owners can bank even when the team's losing (or not selling well) by simply not spending money.  This is the Donald Sterling strategy. However, that's clearly not what Khan's doing. He's been spending on players and staff, spending on facilities since he got here. He can't be happy with what's happening.

I remember being told that the Bucs were the most profitable team in the league during the Culverhouse years, though I don't know if that's true or not. And the Bucs suuuuuuuuuucked.

Not sure about most profitable but they were definitely profitable.

I grew up in Tampa and Culverhouse was a world-famous cheap bastard and the Bucs were terrible. But he still made money so he did not care.

My wife's grandmother was his secretary for a long time. She didn't say anything about the team being the most profitable - I heard that from a football fan once (my old boss when I was in college). But my wife's grandmother said Culverhouse always treated her very well.

Apparently, the Bucs were among the most profitable teams during Culverhouse's time. Culverhouse made strong profits because he kept his payroll and expenses a lot lower than the revenue, even though his revenues were mediocre. That was back when NFL teams could actually lose money; apparently the Super Bowl champs lost more money than the Buccs made one year. He (and his successors after he died) benefited from the growth of the league during the time they owned the team.

Well, there you go!

Thanks for the clarification 

[pierre]

So what's the Jag's biggest problem on the field? Is it a talent issue, coaching or both? Seems that they've been competitive but find a different way to lose each week. Eliminate the pick 6s and strange interceptions off WR's feet and a few Ls could be Ws.

I would put coaching first, and talent next.

It is inexcusable to have an NFL team that allows punt returns in consecutive weeks that the Jaguars have allowed. That goes on the coaching.

The defense has actually played well the last few weeks but you still have way too many plays where the opponent has a receiver running wide open. Again, I believe that is on coaching.

On offense, some is on Bortles. He cannot throw a spiral or hit a wide open receiver. But I do think he has always been asked to throw too much because the team has been horrible and playing from behind.

I think it's on Bradley. And by extension, Caldwell and Khan. They hired him and kept him around when no other NFL team would.