The Jacksonville Jaguars

Started by Non-RedNeck Westsider, October 11, 2011, 04:20:42 PM

KenFSU

^ Per the T-U, Fisch had very few fans in the Jags locker room. Risky to transition OC's in Bortles' second year, but in my opinion, worth the risk. Bortles has tended to play significantly better anyway in a two-minute offense than he has executing Jedd's thousand page playbook of screens. Hope Fisch lands on his feet, he did have a handful of really great calls this season.

Non-RedNeck Westsider

Quote from: KenFSU on December 30, 2014, 02:06:53 PM
...Jedd's thousand page playbook of screens.

Between that and the other 800 pages or so dedicated to naked-boots, it's a wonder anyone can learn the playbook...  ;D
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Downtown Osprey

If we pull off another 3-4, hell maybe even 5 win season, best believe Gus will be next.

ProjectMaximus

I really don't want this to turn into a repeat of Gabbert with the constant flux of coaches/OCs, and I really didnt mind Fisch's style and coaching, but the move does give me confidence that Bradley is constantly evaluating and not content with the status quo.

tufsu1

^ or that Dave Caldwell and Khan made it clear changes would need to be made

KenFSU

#6635
From the Orlando Sentinel:

QuoteJaguars players complained privately in recent weeks about Fisch having little or no feel for play-calling and belittling rookie quarterback Blake Bortles in practice...

According to insiders, fired Chicago Bears coach Marc Trestman could be a candidate for the offensive coordinator job. Bradley and Trestman are close friends.

From Caldwell:

Quote"We will be big spenders in free agency."

http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2014/12/30/7468751/jaguars-dave-caldwell-free-agency-2015-we-plan-to-spend

I-10east

Quote from: pierre on December 30, 2014, 01:55:43 PM
Glad they made a move. Sounds like some internal issues with Fisch and the team.

I agree with liking Fisch's removal. Bradley said that Fisch and him had 'philosophical differences'. From what I gather, Gus wanted to dumb down the offense for the rookies (particularly Bortles) and Fisch's style was more suitable for a veteran QB.

I-10east

The Bucs turned down the Senior Bowl, so the Jags filled in against the Titans. The Jags got some good rookies because of last year's Senior Bowl (T. Smith, Colvin and Linder) thanks Tampa Bay.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/30/bucs-turn-down-senior-bowl-jaguars-and-titans-to-coach/

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Quote from: I-10east on December 30, 2014, 05:35:05 PM
I agree with liking Fisch's removal. Bradley said that Fisch and him had 'philosophical differences'. From what I gather, Gus wanted to dumb down the offense for the rookies (particularly Bortles) and Fisch's style was more suitable for a veteran QB.

I'd say it's probably more advanced for the WRs than it is for the QB. 

Z-Smoke Right, y-smoke left

It's the blocking schemes and alignments for the outside personnel that make those plays work.  You could probably make those throws I-10.  ;)
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Ocklawaha

Quote from: tufsu1 on December 30, 2014, 04:32:06 PM
^ or that Dave Caldwell and Khan made it clear changes would need to be made

Okay TUFSU1, how in the hell did you manage to make reply 6666??  ;D

tufsu1


I-10east

#6641
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on December 30, 2014, 06:37:47 PM
Quote from: I-10east on December 30, 2014, 05:35:05 PM
I agree with liking Fisch's removal. Bradley said that Fisch and him had 'philosophical differences'. From what I gather, Gus wanted to dumb down the offense for the rookies (particularly Bortles) and Fisch's style was more suitable for a veteran QB.

I'd say it's probably more advanced for the WRs than it is for the QB. 

Z-Smoke Right, y-smoke left

It's the blocking schemes and alignments for the outside personnel that make those plays work.  You could probably make those throws I-10.  ;)

I think that there is some validity to what you said with the blocking schemes and WRs, but at the same time, Bradley felt like Fisch was overloading Bortles (with standout examples being vs MIA and PIT). Remember, this is a rookie QB that was thrown in week 3; in one, if not the hardest position the play in sports. I know that Gus won't say it, but bad calling was a reason also IMO.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12098042/jacksonville-jaguars-fire-jedd-fisch

I-10east

#6642
^^^Bad play calls in phases like running Gerhart on the perimeter phase, bunching everything up tight with one or two WRs, then throwing a 5 yard out while NEVER threatening deep phase, A thousand screens that never developed, calling short fade passes within the bunched-up goalline area (which I absolutely hate), Abandoning the run (like the last drive vs HOU in NRG Stadium), not spreading out the offense often (3 WRs atleast) which could allow one of the most dangerous running QBs to move the chains. I probably could come up with some others too.

Keith-N-Jax

Hard to throw deep when the defense is in the backfield in about 2-3 seconds.

I-10east

#6644
^^^I didn't say run an offense like the Run & Shoot Houston Oilers, just occasionally/seldomly test the DBs deep or mid range, so that the defense won't just sit on every dink & dunk pass/screen; Otherwise it's just a recipe for pick sixes.