The Jacksonville Jaguars

Started by Non-RedNeck Westsider, October 11, 2011, 04:20:42 PM

duvaldude08

Quote from: copperfiend on October 02, 2013, 09:19:58 AM
Quote from: MEGATRON on October 02, 2013, 09:08:30 AM
Quote from: copperfiend on October 02, 2013, 08:18:23 AM
Still not sure about this Monroe trade. I have to assume that Caldwell and company knew back in April that he would not be in the long term plans. Maybe they tried to move him then and couldn't get a deal done. It just seems like he was worth more.
The Ravens are getting the contract, not just the player.  he only has 12 games remaining on his contract so Caldwell did a good job getting what he could for him.

I don't disagree with that. I guess I am  not surprised what they got for him considering he is not in their long terms plans. I am just surprised he is not in their long term plans. The team is so bad and they traded away one of the few servicable players at a premium position. And this isn't like MJD, Lewis or Babin where they are declining players. Monroe is in his prime. And we are right back to where we were before we took Joeckel.

I just hope Bridgewater is worth it.

The thing is all about the future of the team. With or without Monroe this team sucks bad. Were probably going to win one game at the most, maybe two or three if were lucky. And Monoroe is a solid LT, not elite. If he was Toni Boselli I could see questioning the trade. (like we probably did back in the day). We got good value for him. Im not tripping about it. LT is Jockel's natural position. Bradenfield is a good temporary plug at right tackle. He struggled at times last year, but he wasnt terrible.

One last question, are you saying that they have already given up on this season, and dont mind losing to get a quarterback? Im just curious about your comment on Bridgewater.
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Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on October 02, 2013, 09:32:56 AM
The spring of eternal hope...

The Ravens don't offer Monroe an extension and allow him to become a FA.

With all of our cap space, we would have no problems signing a young FA that knows our system and has proven to be a solid player.

Now we give him the money that we were going to AND pick up 2-3 mid/late round picks. 

Maybe that's why they weren't pushing for anything higher like a 2nd or 3rd round pick?  The plan is to grab him at the end of the year, regardless.

I mean, we weren't going to sign him to an extension, so whatever happened, he was going to hit FA at the end of the year.  We might have tendered him, we might not have.  Either way, if we were going to keep him, we would have been bidding against the rest of the league.
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copperfiend

Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 02, 2013, 09:33:07 AM
One last question, are you saying that they have already given up on this season, and dont mind losing to get a quarterback? Im just curious about your comment on Bridgewater.

It sure feels like tanking to me. The team was already in the driver's seat to get the first pick. Now they have a cinder block on the gas pedal to get it. They traded away one of their two servicable offensive linemen. I can't look at the schedule and find a win, can you?

duvaldude08

Quote from: copperfiend on October 02, 2013, 10:53:53 AM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 02, 2013, 09:33:07 AM
One last question, are you saying that they have already given up on this season, and dont mind losing to get a quarterback? Im just curious about your comment on Bridgewater.

It sure feels like tanking to me. The team was already in the driver's seat to get the first pick. Now they have a cinder block on the gas pedal to get it. They traded away one of their two servicable offensive linemen. I can't look at the schedule and find a win, can you?

LOL of course I was. But seriously its the way you worded it " I sure hope Bridgewater's worth it" like they purposing are giving up on the team or something. With or without Monroe, this team is going no where, and fast. And thats no shot at Monroe because he was doing his job, but this team will have the first pick regardless. Whether is 1-15 or 2-14 it wont make a difference.
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Quote from: copperfiend on October 02, 2013, 10:53:53 AM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 02, 2013, 09:33:07 AM
One last question, are you saying that they have already given up on this season, and dont mind losing to get a quarterback? Im just curious about your comment on Bridgewater.

It sure feels like tanking to me. The team was already in the driver's seat to get the first pick. Now they have a cinder block on the gas pedal to get it. They traded away one of their two servicable offensive linemen. I can't look at the schedule and find a win, can you?

Well.... Based on Strength of Schedule, we're the best of the 0-4 teams.  As it stands, we have the 4th overall pick.  Lol.


http://www.nfl.com/standings?category=league&season=2013-REG
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funwithteeth

Well, of the Winless Wonders™, only the Bucs and the Jags will be in the market for a new QB. I still like our Bridgewater chances!

urbaknight

I think for the rest of the home games, we might as well just paint the the endzones in the visiting team's colors and use their names. Let's face it, they're not really our endzones, we'll never get the ball over that line this year.

Shwaz

QuoteKhan kicks in $20M to help stadium
October, 2, 2013
OCT 2
1:45
PM ET
By Michael DiRocco | ESPN.com
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JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Jacksonville Jaguars owner Shad Khan has upped the ante on his commitment to the city and EverBank Field.

The team announced Wednesday that it is contributing $20 million toward $63 million in stadium improvements that include two new video scoreboards and an interactive area inside the stadium that will include a pool. That brings Khan's total investment since he purchased the team to $31 million.

Khan has already spent $11 million on improvements to the weight room, locker room and training facility.

The city will pay the remaining $43 million for the stadium improvements from its Sports Complex Maintenance fund, which is funded by a 2 percent tax on hotel guests in Duval County. None of the money in the city's general fund -- which pays for services such as public safety, parks and libraries -- will be used.

"Our plan with the Jaguars will keep us on course by making our NFL football league stadium a world-class facility," Jacksonville Mayor Alvin Brown said. "We're paying our share in a fiscal responsible way. In these challenging fiscal times I was determined not to add the burden on hard-working Jacksonville taxpayers."

http://espn.go.com/blog/jacksonville-jaguars
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KenFSU

Quote from: Shwaz on October 02, 2013, 01:57:11 PM
QuoteKhan kicks in $20M to help stadium
October, 2, 2013
OCT 2
1:45
PM ET
By Michael DiRocco | ESPN.com
RECOMMEND1TWEET0COMMENTS0EMAILPRINT
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Jacksonville Jaguars owner Shad Khan has upped the ante on his commitment to the city and EverBank Field.

The team announced Wednesday that it is contributing $20 million toward $63 million in stadium improvements that include two new video scoreboards and an interactive area inside the stadium that will include a pool. That brings Khan's total investment since he purchased the team to $31 million.

Khan has already spent $11 million on improvements to the weight room, locker room and training facility.

The city will pay the remaining $43 million for the stadium improvements from its Sports Complex Maintenance fund, which is funded by a 2 percent tax on hotel guests in Duval County. None of the money in the city's general fund -- which pays for services such as public safety, parks and libraries -- will be used.

"Our plan with the Jaguars will keep us on course by making our NFL football league stadium a world-class facility," Jacksonville Mayor Alvin Brown said. "We're paying our share in a fiscal responsible way. In these challenging fiscal times I was determined not to add the burden on hard-working Jacksonville taxpayers."

http://espn.go.com/blog/jacksonville-jaguars

It's worth pointing out that, based almost exclusively on league-wide television rights fee increases, the Jaguars valuation has increased by approximately $70 million in the last year.

Shwaz

Quote from: KenFSU on October 02, 2013, 03:05:52 PM
Quote from: Shwaz on October 02, 2013, 01:57:11 PM
QuoteKhan kicks in $20M to help stadium
October, 2, 2013
OCT 2
1:45
PM ET
By Michael DiRocco | ESPN.com
RECOMMEND1TWEET0COMMENTS0EMAILPRINT
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Jacksonville Jaguars owner Shad Khan has upped the ante on his commitment to the city and EverBank Field.

The team announced Wednesday that it is contributing $20 million toward $63 million in stadium improvements that include two new video scoreboards and an interactive area inside the stadium that will include a pool. That brings Khan's total investment since he purchased the team to $31 million.

Khan has already spent $11 million on improvements to the weight room, locker room and training facility.

The city will pay the remaining $43 million for the stadium improvements from its Sports Complex Maintenance fund, which is funded by a 2 percent tax on hotel guests in Duval County. None of the money in the city's general fund -- which pays for services such as public safety, parks and libraries -- will be used.

"Our plan with the Jaguars will keep us on course by making our NFL football league stadium a world-class facility," Jacksonville Mayor Alvin Brown said. "We're paying our share in a fiscal responsible way. In these challenging fiscal times I was determined not to add the burden on hard-working Jacksonville taxpayers."

http://espn.go.com/blog/jacksonville-jaguars

It's worth pointing out that, based almost exclusively on league-wide television rights fee increases, the Jaguars valuation has increased by approximately $70 million in the last year.

And almost half of that total is being reinvested in the stadium improvements mentioned above :)
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guess were still moving London/LA right?

duvaldude08

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mtraininjax

We're going to win some games this year, no doubt about it. We have Blackmon coming back and he helps the offense stay on the field. I have faith in Blackmon to have a great year.
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"This is a game-changer. This is what I mean when I say taking Jacksonville to the next level."
-Mayor Alvin Brown on new video boards at Everbank Field

BridgeTroll

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/03/jags-should-send-mjd-to-san-diego-as-part-of-fire-sale/

QuoteJags should send MJD to San Diego as part of fire sale

Posted by Mike Florio on October 3, 2013, 7:01 AM EDT

The current struggles of the Jaguars would make sense if they were in the process of tearing it down in order to build it back up.  But they've yet to start tearing it down.

The trade that sent left tackle Eugene Monroe to the Ravens could be the first step in what should be a fire sale aimed at turning the team around via increased draft picks for 2014 and beyond.  And the next guy to go should be running back Maurice Jones-Drew.

He's currently contributing nothing to the Jaguars, rushing for 138 yards in four games, and averaging 2.4 yards per attempt.  Jones-Drews in the final year of a contract that pays him $4.95 million for the season, and he most likely won't be back next year.  So the Jags should get what they can and move on.

Ideally, the Jags would have pounced on the opportunity to ship him to Indianapolis before the Colts, desperate to replace Vick Ballard, had sent a first-round pick to Cleveland for Trent Richardson.  While it would have kept Jones-Drew in the division, it's not a division the Jags are going to contend to win absent the kind of help that comes from extra draft picks.

With the Chargers unexpected contenders at 2-2 and Philip Rivers carrying the offense, the best move could be to send him back to California, where he could help open up an offense that currently relies too much on its quarterback.

Injuries or ineffectiveness could create potential trade opportunities as well over the next three weeks and five days.  Regardless, it would be foolish for the Jags to keep Jones-Drew at a time when it's obvious that the Jaguars are at the bottom of the NFL's barrel.  To start moving toward the top, they need to flip their current assets into more draft picks.

Other players to consider dumping for picks include tight end Marcedes Lewis (hello, Patriots), safety Dwight Lowery, linebacker Paul Posluszny, and anyone else with a salary north of $1 million and skills that would be regarded as desirable elsewhere.

It's not as if the Jaguars can get all that much worse without any or all of those players.
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tufsu1

^ well I would assume MJD is "for sale"....like Monroe, he's in a contract year....and I think if the Jags can get some worthy draft picks for him, it would make for a good trade