The Jacksonville Jaguars

Started by Non-RedNeck Westsider, October 11, 2011, 04:20:42 PM

Non-RedNeck Westsider

Quote from: JayBird on September 16, 2013, 05:34:38 PM
I do have to wonder though how much of the Tebowmania is truly fan driven. I believe it is more media putting it out there because they know fans will adamantly say no. I don't see these Tebow-mongers at games, at rallies, heck even watching the away games in bars I haven't met someone who follows NFL and truly wants Tebow. Whereas on a slow news day every sports writer/blogger/announcer knows that if you mention him and the Jaguars you have a good shot of getting on Googles most searched that day.

It's because Wacca and I don't have real jobs, lol, why not blast the interwebs for picking the low-hanging fruit.


Disclosure:  Not only does Wacca have a full-time gig, but he donate's more time than should be humanly possible for his other passions, fortunately for us, the Jaguars are one of those passions.

I'm the slacker without a 'real' job. 
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KenFSU

Quote from: HisBuffPVB on September 16, 2013, 05:14:43 PM
Tebow has no job the aquars have no quarterback. Jags are not going to draw crowds if they keep losing. Tebow draws crowds. Ergo, if he is going to fail, let him fail at home, he certainly could not do worse than what we have. Not being a coach, I don't understand the reluctance to have a guy who led the Broncos to the playoffs when he was playing full time. Of course , we could lose every game and get Johnny Touchdown as our first draft pick next year. Of course, in light of the all the problems in the world today, this is small potatoes, even if you spell it like Dan Quayle.

Thing is though, Tebow already has failed if he has been cut by three teams (to be technical, the Broncos defense led Denver to the playoffs if you look at the numbers), and no one in the league is willing to give him a spot. He had his chance, and men who are paid high dollars to analyze the sport agree nearly unanimously that he doesn't have the skills to play QB in the NFL. If all of the casual fans calling for Tebow in Jacksonville had watched his preseason performance this year, we wouldn't be having this conversation in Jax. Plus, the guy had his chance to play in Jax, and he chose NY instead. He didn't owe his hometown anything in that decision, and we sure don't owe him any charity contracts now. Any ticket boost the guy provides would disappear after two or three of his typical NFL performances, after which all of the goofball faux Gators would go back to sitting on their asses and blaming our coaching staff and offensive system for failing their impotent hero. In place of promises to buy tickets, they'd turn to promising to cancel their (non-existent) season tickets and would stage more sad, religiously influenced pep rallies in the middle of a work day when the coach and GM are clear across the country. Tebow's biggest failure now is his arrogance, and the sense of entitlement that his cult of personality has instilled in him. Could have a spot of a half dozen teams right now if he was willing to change the positions. Too much hubris though. Keep holding out for that QB position though Timmy. It's only going to get harder after next year's draft.

Non-RedNeck Westsider

A slap in the face for the Sign-HWSNBN rally?

(not really, we'll be doing this all season)

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Jaguars awarded cornerback Jamell Fleming off waivers; sign guard Jacques McClendon to 53-man roster.

The Jacksonville Jaguars today were awarded second-year cornerback Jamell Fleming off waivers from Arizona and signed guard Jacques McClendon to the 53-man roster.  First-year wide receiver Jeremy Ebert and rookie cornerback Marcus Burley were waived, and first-year defensive end Chris McCoy was signed to the practice squad.

Fleming, 5-11, 206, was a third-round draft pick of the Cardinals in 2012.  He appeared in 15 games with three starts as a rookie, totaling 24 tackles, one pass defensed and three special teams tackles.  He was inactive for the 2013 season-opener at St. Louis and was waived on Sept. 14.

Fleming appeared in 51 games at Oklahoma, starting the final 24 games.  He finished his career with 131 tackles, seven interceptions, 24 passes defensed, 12.5 tackles for loss and two forced fumbles. He was twice named Defensive MVP in bowl games for the Sooners.  Fleming scored two career touchdowns, returning an interception 55 yards for a score and returning a fumble recovery 56 yards for a touchdown.  He earned All-Big 12 first-team honors as a senior after recording 60 tackles (49 solo) and two forced fumbles.  A native of Arlington, Texas, he played on both sides of the ball at Seguin High School.


McClendon opened the 2013 season on the Jaguars 53-man roster after he was claimed off waivers from Atlanta on Sept. 1.  He was waived on Sept. 14 by the Jaguars.  He has spent time with Indianapolis, Detroit, Pittsburgh and Atlanta.  McClendon is a former fourth-round draft pick of the Colts in 2010 where he played in four games as a rookie, his only career action. He spent the 2013 preseason with the Falcons before he was waived on final cuts.

McCoy was on the Jaguars 2013 opening day roster after being claimed off waivers from Philadelphia on Sept. 1 and then waived on Sept. 14.  He was originally a seventh-round draft pick of Miami in 2010 where he spent time on the club's practice squad as a rookie.  McCoy also spent time on the Texans' and Seahawks' practice squads in 2010.  He spent the last two years with the Calgary Stampeders of the Canadian Football League where he totaled 29 tackles and five sacks.  He was signed by the Eagles on Feb. 6, 2013 and waived on final cuts.
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Wacca Pilatka

Quote from: JayBird on September 16, 2013, 05:35:01 PM
Lmao and Wacca Pilatka for the win!

I cannot take full credit for the car analogy.  It's an extension of a comment Alfie Crow from Big Cat Country made a week or so ago.
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Wacca Pilatka

Quote from: funwithteeth on September 16, 2013, 05:37:00 PM
Do you guys think we can convince the Redskins to give up Rex Grossman? He played for UF like Tebow and he has playoff experience like Tebow and he's even better than Tebow because he's been to the Super Bowl! I don't know what Grossman's religious affiliation is, but whatevs!

I'm holding out for Danny Wuerffel!  He's a proven winner!

Or the current acting head of the IRS, since he has a similar name!

And KenFSU, that summary was exquisite.
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Wacca Pilatka

Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on September 16, 2013, 05:37:56 PM
Quote from: JayBird on September 16, 2013, 05:34:38 PM
I do have to wonder though how much of the Tebowmania is truly fan driven. I believe it is more media putting it out there because they know fans will adamantly say no. I don't see these Tebow-mongers at games, at rallies, heck even watching the away games in bars I haven't met someone who follows NFL and truly wants Tebow. Whereas on a slow news day every sports writer/blogger/announcer knows that if you mention him and the Jaguars you have a good shot of getting on Googles most searched that day.

It's because Wacca and I don't have real jobs, lol, why not blast the interwebs for picking the low-hanging fruit.


Disclosure:  Not only does Wacca have a full-time gig, but he donate's more time than should be humanly possible for his other passions, fortunately for us, the Jaguars are one of those passions.

I'm the slacker without a 'real' job.

Feeling the love.
The tourist would realize at once that he had struck the Land of Flowers - the City Beautiful!

Henry J. Klutho

I-10east

Anyone down with a counter-Tebow rally?

Non-RedNeck Westsider

Quote from: I-10east on September 16, 2013, 06:09:13 PM
Anyone down with a counter-Tebow rally?

I'm pretty we already go to the same one....  9 times this year.  ;-)
 
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KenFSU

Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on September 16, 2013, 05:45:54 PM
And KenFSU, that summary was exquisite.

It's funny, every time I type up an anti-Tebow rant here, you beat me to the punch before I can finish :D

thelakelander

Hmmm, Jags getting 19.5....

Do you all think they'll cover?
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Keith-N-Jax

Well after Seattle reaches 65 points, they'll put their scrubs in, so maybe?

If_I_Loved_you

The Jaguars don't need "Fair Weather Fans?" Stand behind the Jaguars or keep your mouth shut!

Rynjny

Quote from: If_I_Loved_you on September 17, 2013, 09:56:31 AM
The Jaguars don't need "Fair Weather Fans?" Stand behind the Jaguars or keep your mouth shut!

+100000000

duvaldude08

Sam always has the best insight

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Sam Kouvaris: It's never as good or bad as it seems
Author: Sam Kouvaris, Sports director, skouvari@wjxt.com
Published On: Sep 16 2013 07:06:55 PM EDT   Updated On: Sep 16 2013 09:45:51 PM EDT
Small TextMedium TextLarge Text.Print Email Tweet 1 . Leaning on the perspective of history you learn that it's never as bad as it seems or as good as it looks when it comes to the NFL.  That's why watching Jaguars Head Coach Gus Bradley after the 19-9 loss to Oakland was a study in how "team building" is part of his philosophy as a young head coach.

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He told us when he was hired that he was excited to now lead the whole team instead of just the defense and he's putting that theory into play.  And he's been tested early.  There wasn't much good to go on in the opening day loss to Kansas City and Bradley admitted that adding, "We competed like crazy, but sometimes the wrong way."

And while that was harsh on the ears at first, it made sense that a young, inexperienced team was having difficulty just doing their job, following their training and talent and going out and playing.  He could have spent some time calling guys out, singling players out for their mistakes, but instead called on the players as a whole to "buy in" and the coaching staff to re-evaluate how they were trying to teach.

Following the Oakland loss, Bradley said there were "small victories" and if you look at the glass "half-full" it's easy to see some of them.  The Raiders scored one touchdown against the Jaguars defense, and that was on a short field created by special teams.  The rest of Oakland's points came from Sebastian Janikowski's foot.

Bradley singled out Chad Henne from a statistical standpoint and said that the running backs did a decent job after Maurice Jones Drew left the game.  He acknowledged that Luke Joeckel was anxious during the two-minute drill and jumped early twice, and was critical of his team's mental errors causing penalties, noting that a "hands to the face penalty kept a drive going.  We have to clean that up."

I'll admit that Bradley is an easy guy to like.  Good listener, honest, not a bunch of baloney coming from him when you ask him a question whether it's hard or a softball.  And his ability to direct his team to "take the next step" without crushing either their enthusiasm or their motivation has showed up at important times.

It would be easy to fall into a culture of losing where the players start doing their own thing, figuring they're going to be on the wrong end of the scoreboard no matter what.  And that's where Bradley's challenge gets a little steeper.

How do you keep veterans like Jones Drew, Monroe, Lewis, Babin and others engaged in the process of getting better when in the short term they might not have much success in beating opponents on the field?

In his acceptance of a complete rebuild, Jaguars Owner Shad Khan said it made him think "Why didn't I start this a year sooner" leaving him with the understanding that it's going to take some time to build a consistent winner.

Because of some bad decisions made by Wayne Weaver, Gene Smith, James Harris and Jack Del Rio the Jaguars missed their "cyclical uptick" about three or four years ago.  They beat Pittsburgh in the playoffs and were one win away from the AFC Championship game but got off track in the off-season and got lost.  That means they've been in the losing doldrums for an inordinate amount of time by NFL standards.

That doesn't make the fans happy and rightfully so, but I've never understood that segment of fans that say "they're not winning so why don't they just move?"  If that were the case in the last hundred years of watching sports the Cubs would be out of Chicago, the Red Sox could easily be in south Florida and the Lions would have left Detroit decades ago.  They haven't won in ages.

No, it's a process with peaks and valleys and right now the Jaguars and their fans probably feel like they're in the Marianas Trench of losing.  Does Bradley know how to get the most out of his guys?  Is Dave Caldwell the personnel whiz that most people in the league think he is?

We'll know the answers to those questions soon enough when you measure it against the NFL's timetable.  It wasn't that long ago in "NFL time"  that San Francisco, New Orleans, Baltimore and even New England were lowly bottom feeders in the league.  As Shad Khan sees it, this group of his football management has some time to build a winner.

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BridgeTroll

True!

QuoteWe'll know the answers to those questions soon enough when you measure it against the NFL's timetable.  It wasn't that long ago in "NFL time"  that San Francisco, New Orleans, Baltimore and even New England were lowly bottom feeders in the league.
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."