The Jacksonville Jaguars

[MEGATRON]

]Del Rio was the head coach, not the GM.  What bold move did you expect him to make???  Do you think Mularkey made the Babin move???  Besides, Del Rio was the one who went with Garrard over Leftwich and MJD over Taylor.  Those are pretty bold friggin moves, wouldn't you agree?

You actually think the Chiefs are trying to lose???

Is it so hard to conceptualize that probably Gene Smith and Mularkey got together about Babin before going to Kahn?  Shit doesn't happen in a vacuum.  In my head the conversation went:

GS - If we get him, can you make him work in your system?
MM - Are you kidding, he's better than anything we've got, let's give it a shot.  What's there to lose?
GS - Nothing, wouldn't you rather play the rookies and see what they've got?
MM - We've played the rooks and they need more time.  Let's bring in the veteran and see if he'll work out semi-long term.  If he doesn't, we cut him next year.  At least it will light a fire under the other guys asses to let them know that no one's job is safe.
GS - Don't I know it.  I'll call Kahn now.
TK - Fuck calling my dad, this is a no brainer - I've already run the numbers through my super-computer - make the call to the NFL.

Is it hard for you to conceptualize that the GM is the boss and needs to look at the big picture, not necessarily the immediate picture.

It does not matter how the decision was made.  I don't like the decision.  Play the young guys.

[duvaldude08]

The wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round, round and round 

[MEGATRON]

If you want to develop a QB on the bench, spend a 3rd or 4th round pick on one, not the tenth overall.  People love to cite Aaron Rodgers as a case study for sitting a QB. 

Since I took my Adderol this morning, I'm just going to keep firing away. 

GM Megatron wants to Draft & Develop 3rd & 4th round talent at the QB position, hmmmmm, how's that going to work out for him?  Out of 31 QBs drafted since 2000, only 1 is a viable starter in the NFL - Matt Schaub.  RW's still has to prove himself, though he's doing a decent job and Foles is in by default.  Good luck with your selections Mr. GM Megatron...   

Russell Wilson
Nick Foles
Kirk Cousins
Ryan Mallett
Colt McCoy
Mike Kafka
Stephen McGee
Kevin O'Connell
Trent Edwards
Isaiah Stanback
Charlie Whitehurst
Brodie Croyle
Brad Smith
Charlie Frye
Andrew Walter
David Greene
Kyle Orton
Stefan Lefors
Matt Schaub
Luke McCown
Dave Ragone
Chris Simms
Seneca Wallace
Josh McCown
David Garrard
Rohan Davey
Chris Weinke
Sage Rosenfels
Jesse Palmer
Giovanni Carmazzi
Chris Redman

Damn, you are slow.  I said, if you want to develop a QB on the bench, you draft him in the later rounds.  It is clear in today's NFL, the NFL talent at the QB position goes in the round.  Because the college system has developed and become much more complex (outside of the offense Cam Newton played in at Auburn), first-round QBs are ready for immediate playing time.

My original point is that you don't spend the tenth overall pick on a QB then sit him behind someone.  No one does that any more because, if you are drafting him in the first, he should be ready to go.  See Andrew Luck, RG3, Ryan Tannehill, and Brandon Weeden in 2012.  See Cam Newton, Jake Locker, Christian Ponder, Andy Dalton and even Colin Kaepernick in 2011.  See Sam Bradford in 2010 and Matt Stafford, Mark Sanchez, and Josh Freeman in 2009. 

With the exception of Tebow, those are your first round and high second round QBs from the last four drafts.  Notice anything there???  They all start.  Are they all going to succeed?  Hell no.  But a first round QB is drafted to be the starting QB, not ride the pine as you wanted to do with Gabbert.  Drafting a QB in the first round and "developing" him on the bench is an antiquated concept from the '90s that no team follows any more.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Damn, you are slow.  I said, if you want to develop a QB on the bench, you draft him in the later rounds.  It is clear in today's NFL, the NFL talent at the QB position goes in the round.  Because the college system has developed and become much more complex (outside of the offense Cam Newton played in at Auburn), first-round QBs are ready for immediate playing time.

Damn, your reading comprehension has a lot to be desired.  Sure.  You said D&D in the later rounds - the list I provided pretty much proves that's not really a viable option - only 1 of 31 is considered a quality starter with 2 more TBD - Wilson & Foles.

My original point is that you don't spend the tenth overall pick on a QB then sit him behind someone.  No one does that any more because, if you are drafting him in the first, he should be ready to go.

In the past that was true because you were paying ginormous signing bonuses to the top picks.  That's not the case today - you can grab a high-potential guy in the first rounds and not have to sell the farm to do it - thanks to the new Rookie Wage Scale.

See Andrew Luck, RG3, Ryan Tannehill, and Brandon Weeden in 2012.  See Cam Newton, Jake Locker, Christian Ponder, Andy Dalton and even Colin Kaepernick in 2011.  See Sam Bradford in 2010 and Matt Stafford, Mark Sanchez, and Josh Freeman in 2009.

With the exception of Tebow, those are your first round and high second round QBs from the last four drafts.  Notice anything there???  They all start.  Are they all going to succeed?  Hell no.  But a first round QB is drafted to be the starting QB, not ride the pine as you wanted to do with Gabbert.  Drafting a QB in the first round and "developing" him on the bench is an antiquated concept from the '90s that no team follows any more.

You wanna tell me what I'm lookng for?  Maybe I am slow, because your point isn't getting through.  What, that they're all starters?  That they're all older and have more experience than Gabbert?  That only a handful of them even have winning records? 

The concept wasn't followed anymore because it was too damn expensive to pay a guy a $30M signing bonus to let him sit the bench.  Read above, it's not the case anymore. 

[duvaldude08]

Blackmon and Shorts were injuried in practice yesterday. Since Ive gotten that off my chest, Im taking nap Im offically depressed.

[MEGATRON]

The concept wasn't followed anymore because it was too damn expensive to pay a guy a $30M signing bonus to let him sit the bench.  Read above, it's not the case anymore.

Andrew Luck, RG3, Ryan Tannehill, and Brandon Weeden say hello.

You don't spend a first round pick on anyone that is not going to start.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

The concept wasn't followed anymore because it was too damn expensive to pay a guy a $30M signing bonus to let him sit the bench.  Read above, it's not the case anymore.

Andrew Luck, RG3, Ryan Tannehill, and Brandon Weeden say hello.

You don't spend a first round pick on anyone that is not going to start.

Hahahahaha, well maybe they should start.....

Player                      Team      W      L
Andrew Luck           IND         7   4
Robert Griffin III     WAS         5   6
Ryan Tannehill        MIA         5   6
Brandon Weeden   CLE         3   8
Cam Newton          CAR         9   18
Jake Locker            TEN         2   4
Christian Ponder    MIN         8   13
Sam Bradford         STL         12   24
                                    51   83

Seems to me the rookies aren't doing too well.... 

I left out Gabbert and Tebow, probably should have left out Bradford as well since he was before the wage scale.

Sorry buddy, they may make splashy plays, but only 1 QB drafted in the 1st round since 2010 has a winning record.  It's all about Ws and Ls, right?

[comncense]

^ All of those guys above are a better QB than Gabbert, let's be honest. A team's record doesn't reflect how good a QB is. RGIII is on a team with a losing record but I'd swap him with Gabbert any day of the week, and he's younger than Gabbert if you want to talk about age...

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

^ All of those guys above are a better QB than Gabbert, let's be honest. A team's record doesn't reflect how good a QB is. RGIII is on a team with a losing record but I'd swap him with Gabbert any day of the week, and he's younger than Gabbert if you want to talk about age...

I'll take winning - no matter how.  If that means my 1st round pick needs to ride the bench for a few years until he's truly ready, so be it. 

“The more I practice, the luckier I get." ~ Gary Player

[MEGATRON]

The concept wasn't followed anymore because it was too damn expensive to pay a guy a $30M signing bonus to let him sit the bench.  Read above, it's not the case anymore.

Andrew Luck, RG3, Ryan Tannehill, and Brandon Weeden say hello.

You don't spend a first round pick on anyone that is not going to start.

Hahahahaha, well maybe they should start.....

Player                      Team      W      L
Andrew Luck           IND         7   4
Robert Griffin III     WAS         5   6
Ryan Tannehill        MIA         5   6
Brandon Weeden   CLE         3   8
Cam Newton          CAR         9   18
Jake Locker            TEN         2   4
Christian Ponder    MIN         8   13
Sam Bradford         STL         12   24
                                    51   83

Seems to me the rookies aren't doing too well.... 

I left out Gabbert and Tebow, probably should have left out Bradford as well since he was before the wage scale.

Sorry buddy, they may make splashy plays, but only 1 QB drafted in the 1st round since 2010 has a winning record.  It's all about Ws and Ls, right?

You have to take your lumps with them.  The only way a QB learns the NFL game is to play.  If you sit Gabbert for two years before you play him, then play him in that third year and he is not the guy, you have wasted three years.  The teams that have played the QBs in your list above either know or are learning whether they have the right guy to build around.

In regard to "Ws and Ls," its about winning championships, not winning meaningless games in December when your team is 2-9.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

You have to take your lumps with them.  The only way a QB learns the NFL game is to play.  If you sit Gabbert for two years before you play him, then play him in that third year and he is not the guy, you have wasted three years.  The teams that have played the QBs in your list above either know or are learning whether they have the right guy to build around.

Which is exactly what we were doing with Gabbert this year - until he tore a labrum, and then we still played him, until he was so hurt and we were so out of it, it didn't warrant him being exposed to any more hits.

Now is the time we see if Henne can not only be a solid backup, but the The Guy.  He's only 4 years into it, with one year out because of injury - sometimes it takes time.  I would love for both of these guys to be bad-ass.

That said, I still stand by my argument.

Are you going to seriously tell me you would rather have Cam or Weeden?  RGIII, I not completely sold on - not saying he's bad, just that it took a few seasons for everyone to catch up with Mike Vick as well.  Luck, I get.  The others still haven't shown anything more than a flash here and a flash there, either.  Hell, Cleveland has drafted 4 QBs in rounds 1-3 since '05 - where's that gotten them?

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Or take your lumps with them the way that Tennessee did with Locker last year?

[comncense]

lol yes I'd take Cam over Blaine also. Cam plays on a crappy team, yet I still think he's better than Gabbert. Think about who Cam is throwing to. Steve Smith is on the downside of his career, I can't even name another WR on that team without looking up the team on NFL.com. I'd venture to say that we have a better WR core than the Panthers. Same thing with the Browns. They have a good RB in Richardson, but yeah, who else is a decent WR there?

[I-10east]

Remember NRW, the Jags are the only team with a young QB, and a losing record, or as many would like to believe. To me, it's Dalton, Luck (barring an epic collapse, I got them going to the playoffs this year) and everyone else is unproven. I totally agree that flash is overrated. I rather have a guy who' s becoming a master at his craft like Luck, than some immature 'all about me' flashy guy who does a Superman celebration when they are getting their butts kicked and makes excuses like Newton. Winning is 'flashy' in itself to me. Right on NRW, I totally agree with everything that you said.

[I-10east]

Cam plays on a crappy team, yet I still think he's better than Gabbert.

and Blaine doesn't play on a crappy team, hahaha! I'm not saying the Blaine is definitely the answer, but lets get real here...