The Jacksonville Jaguars

[comncense]

Going to have to agree with the Decepticon on this one. No way would I let Gene Smith play out his contract. If he stayed here 3 more years, he would have had 6 years attempting to rebuild this team. It's not currently showing signs of being on the way back up at this point. Like people said earlier, it was common to blame JDR and the coordinators for the team's failure in the past, but this is a continuing trend. The only thing that has stayed the same is Gene Smith making the decisions on the talent.

This shouldn't be a team full of potential talent. Especially when we have been drafting near the top of the draft for the past 3 or 4 past seasons. In the first 2 rounds of the drafts, those guys shouldn't be drafted based on their perceived potential 3 or 4 years from now. Especially when you're drafting within the top 10.

I've had season tickets from back in the Leftwich era and this current team is worse than any team between that time period and now.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

So, let me get this right, Non-RedNeck Westsider.  You think this team is talented?  That's really what you are going with?

I think the team has plenty of potential talent.  What the team needs is stability.  I'm may be giving up on this season, but I would like to team to stay mostly intact.  Let GS play out his 3 years with Gabbert and Mularkey along for the ride.  Either win together or go find new jobs together, but at least give them time to work together.

Three years???  Jesus Christ.  Good luck with that.

Not a chance...

I don't think so either, but I don't think that a new GM automatically makes us better.

[MEGATRON]

Btw, if you take away his rushing TDs, Blaine's has only thrown 5 fewer TDs and 9 fewer INTs with 71 fewer attempts...  Do you want a passer or a runner?

You act like these are not significant numbers.  They are.

I want a winner.  I don't give a sh*t how he does it.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Going to have to agree with the Decepticon on this one. No way would I let Gene Smith play out his contract. If he stayed here 3 more years, he would have had 6 years attempting to rebuild this team. It's not currently showing signs of being on the way back up at this point. Like people said earlier, it was common to blame JDR and the coordinators for the team's failure in the past, but this is a continuing trend. The only thing that has stayed the same is Gene Smith making the decisions on the talent.

This shouldn't be a team full of potential talent. Especially when we have been drafting near the top of the draft for the past 3 or 4 past seasons. In the first 2 rounds of the drafts, those guys shouldn't be drafted based on their perceived potential 3 or 4 years from now. Especially when you're drafting within the top 10.

I've had season tickets from back in the Leftwich era and this current team is worse than any team between that time period and now.

We also don't have that core of veteran players that have been with the team 6,7 or 8 years - Meester, Mathis, Smith, MJD & Lewis - that's it.  The core of GSs first draft is just now hitting their second contracts - this is the core that needs to be there when the 2012 draft class is starting to hit their second contracts.   

Maybe it's just me and my Pollyanna attitude, but show me one team that has been gutted the way we were 4 years ago and is still playing at a high level?  Not to mention an ownership and coaching change 3 years into the rebuild.  When GS was promoted to GM, he should have been given the keys to the shop, but he was saddled with a head coach and a hem-haw owner. 

New blood.  I think that was evident in the JB pick this year, but by all means, let's toss him to the curb.

[MEGATRON]

I don't think so either, but I don't think that a new GM automatically makes us better.

Automatically, no.  He's going to have to get a couple drafts under his belt.  However, teams in the NFL have turned around in a year or two before.  We've only gotten worse under Smith (and people tend to conveniently  forget that he played a significant role in Harris' picks as well).

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Btw, if you take away his rushing TDs, Blaine's has only thrown 5 fewer TDs and 9 fewer INTs with 71 fewer attempts...  Do you want a passer or a runner?

You act like these are not significant numbers.  They are.

I want a winner.  I don't give a sh*t how he does it.

Hahahahaha... a winner?!?!?!  You mean 6-10 is all it takes for you?  How about 1-6 this year?  Get real.

[BridgeTroll]

So, let me get this right, Non-RedNeck Westsider.  You think this team is talented?  That's really what you are going with?

I think the team has plenty of potential talent.  What the team needs is stability.  I'm may be giving up on this season, but I would like to team to stay mostly intact.  Let GS play out his 3 years with Gabbert and Mularkey along for the ride.  Either win together or go find new jobs together, but at least give them time to work together.

Three years???  Jesus Christ.  Good luck with that.

Not a chance...

I don't think so either, but I don't think that a new GM automatically makes us better.

It doesn't...automatically.  A new GM puts the entire organization on notice that their jobs are threatened.  A new GM changes the status quo (this is the way we always do it mentality), A new GM likely hires a new scouting staff and probably restructures it, a new GM may have inside relationships with former teams or colleague's perhaps enabling trades or free agent acquisitions.  It would be a true rebuild of the Jaguars... from the ground up... I am hoping that is what Khan is aiming for.

[comncense]

So NRW, if you're saying that Gene Smith was completely free to control the draft this year, how would you grade his draft now that we are at the middle of the season?

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

I don't think so either, but I don't think that a new GM automatically makes us better.

Automatically, no.  He's going to have to get a couple drafts under his belt.  However, teams in the NFL have turned around in a year or two before.  We've only gotten worse under Smith (and people tend to conveniently  forget that he played a significant role in Harris' picks as well).

Just curious...  Are the Eagle's struggles a lack of talent?

What about New Orleans?  Dallas?  Jets?  Bengals?  Should they all fire their HCs and GMs and start from scratch?

[MEGATRON]

Maybe it's just me and my Pollyanna attitude, but show me one team that has been gutted the way we were 4 years ago and is still playing at a high level? 

The Colts.  The 49ers.  The Lions.  The Bucs.  And I'd argue the Bengals are a rising team that was blown up.

[BridgeTroll]

I don't think so either, but I don't think that a new GM automatically makes us better.

Automatically, no.  He's going to have to get a couple drafts under his belt.  However, teams in the NFL have turned around in a year or two before.  We've only gotten worse under Smith (and people tend to conveniently  forget that he played a significant role in Harris' picks as well).

Just curious...  Are the Eagle's struggles a lack of talent?

What about New Orleans?  Dallas?  Jets?  Bengals?  Should they all fire their HCs and GMs and start from scratch?

lol... I see potential HC changes at Philly, Dallas, NY, and possibly Bengals... dont forget the Chiefs, San Diego and possibly more.

[MEGATRON]

Btw, if you take away his rushing TDs, Blaine's has only thrown 5 fewer TDs and 9 fewer INTs with 71 fewer attempts...  Do you want a passer or a runner?

You act like these are not significant numbers.  They are.

I want a winner.  I don't give a sh*t how he does it.

Hahahahaha... a winner?!?!?!  You mean 6-10 is all it takes for you?  How about 1-6 this year?  Get real.

I was nto talking about Cam Newton.  You asked if I wanted a runner or a passer.  I don't care.  Just win.

[MEGATRON]

Just curious...  Are the Eagle's struggles a lack of talent?

Yes, their oline is one of these least talented in the league

What about New Orleans?  Dallas?  Jets?  Bengals?  Should they all fire their HCs and GMs and start from scratch?

New Orleans should not be in the conversation.  They lack talent on defense.  Its one of the least talented defensive squads in the league.  However, they are lacking their coach.

Dallas lacks leadership.  Lots of talent.  No leadership.

Jets have very little talent and their oline sucks.

Bengals are a very young team.  I'd love to trade our rosters with them.  Tons of young talent.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

So NRW, if you're saying that Gene Smith was completely free to control the draft this year, how would you grade his draft now that we are at the middle of the season?

I think that JB has been a disappointment, but that doesn't make him a bad pick.

Branch was brought in to compete for the DE job and has done a fair job.  But he's a rookie and right now Lane and Mincey are outperforming him.

Anger has lived up to the hype, whether you agree or disagree taking a punter in the third.

Marshall is already gone.  'Nuf said.

Harris is a rookie CB that is holding his own for a 6th rounder - he's not letting anything get over him - the longest catch against him is 13 yds.

Pendleton hasn't palyed a snap yet, but a 7th round pick isn't anything to get worked up over.

All this being said, I give the draft a C- / D+ so far.  That could easily be a B / B- by this time next year depending on the development of our #1 & 2 picks.  The rest is gravy.

[MEGATRON]

Blackmon and Branch will be fine.  Rookie WRs and DEs hardly ever do anything.  Blackmon's tendency to run his routes nonchalantly is disconcerting though.