The Jacksonville Jaguars

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

I knew I shouldn't have clicked on this thread all week because of Gene Debate #14,312.

I'm with NRW but I understand Gators' POV and respect his fanhood entirely.  Same as the last 14,311 times.  Carry on, all...

I waited 4 games....I tried not to get sucked back in.   Nothing on the field to talk about positively I guess really brings it out.

I've conveniently left out all the on-field performance that I've personally witnessed this year. 

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

For this excercise we'll use another AFC South team - a team that was believed to have had one of the best GMs in the business - Bill Polian.  Now granted, after picking Manning, James, Wayne Freeney, Clark, Mathis, they picked towards the end of the first round in many drafts, but I'm going to focus on the key years that are relevant to the discussion

Officially Chris Polian was GM and Bill was President, 2009-2011 if I remember correctly.   

But the Colts fired them, so I'm not sure that supports your argument.

I support the Jags and love this City, it's frustrating.....

Touche, but same point. 

I do as well, it is frustrating.

Knee-jerk reactions rarely solve anything.  I don't lose sleep over the Jag's record, but would go toe to toe with anyone wanting to talk.  I guess I'm one of the few reasoned fans that understand the word parity and process.  My points to City referenced a team that is loaded with D2 players that are coming from a recent SB win that came in as favorites in the NFC South, yet are 0-4.

It's never as cut and dry as we would like, and you have to have faith, but to think that a complete overhaul is the answer when maybe all you need is to make sure the tires have the right air pressure and that your trailer hitch is really centered.  When you're carrying all this baggage behind you, it's typically only the little things that make a big difference.

[comncense]

It's funny I laughed when the 'experts' picked the Jags to go 3-13 this year. Now it's looking like they will be right for once.

[Gators312]

For this excercise we'll use another AFC South team - a team that was believed to have had one of the best GMs in the business - Bill Polian.  Now granted, after picking Manning, James, Wayne Freeney, Clark, Mathis, they picked towards the end of the first round in many drafts, but I'm going to focus on the key years that are relevant to the discussion

Officially Chris Polian was GM and Bill was President, 2009-2011 if I remember correctly.   

Knee-jerk reactions rarely solve anything.  I don't lose sleep over the Jag's record, but would go toe to toe with anyone wanting to talk.  I guess I'm one of the few reasoned fans that understand the word parity and process.  My points to City referenced a team that is loaded with D2 players that are coming from a recent SB win that came in as favorites in the NFC South, yet are 0-4.

It's never as cut and dry as we would like, and you have to have faith, but to think that a complete overhaul is the answer when maybe all you need is to make sure the tires have the right air pressure and that your trailer hitch is really centered.  When you're carrying all this baggage behind you, it's typically only the little things that make a big difference.

The team you mention has their coach suspended and all the related fall-out from Bountygate.  I think those are some mitigating circumstances.

I think looking for a change at GM after 50 games with no tangible on the field improvement isn't a knee jerk reaction.   Do you think this team played better on Sunday than they did 4 years ago?

Too much caffene and too little sleep...Did you really mean to come off as smug and arrogant as you sound with a quote like that?  You are one of the few who understand Parity and Process??  Wow.  So we just sit and watch the Jags go 5-11 and then next year is the year Gene finally completes his process?  Or will it take more time than that?  What is the official timeline for this process since you understand it so much more than anyone this side of Wacca?

There are other NFL teams who have had success in a shorter period of time.   One example, just look at last week's opponent who found a rookie QB who performed right out of the gate, along with a WR who looks all world and has since his 2nd game.  Oh and the year we took Alualu 10th they took Dunlap 54th?  Statistically they are very similar for their different positions, Dunlap with more sacks in less games, and Alualau with more tackles.   We are getting 2nd round performance for Top 10 picks. 

I'm not saying that I wanted or expected the Jags to take another Gator DL after the busts, but once again who chose the guys who busted and who chooses guys who succeed (Starks, Pouncey, Pouncey just to name 3 who would have helped the Jags.)

I would also hope a complete rebuild wouldn't have to take place, but I do understand the NFL and a good/great GM might not want to be saddled with Mularkey, and some of Smith's choices.  I would hope there is a guy out there who sees this team needs tweaking, along with a solid 2013 draft and FA to get back on track.  Is this the reasoning why you don't want Gene to go, is that you believe a full rebuild would commence if he leaves?  Or do you truly believe Gene can get the players to put this team in the SB?

[Gators312]

I knew I shouldn't have clicked on this thread all week because of Gene Debate #14,312.

I'm with NRW but I understand Gators' POV and respect his fanhood entirely.  Same as the last 14,311 times.  Carry on, all...

I waited 4 games....I tried not to get sucked back in.   Nothing on the field to talk about positively I guess really brings it out.

I've conveniently left out all the on-field performance that I've personally witnessed this year. 

Can you elaborate?

[Keith-N-Jax]

It's funny I laughed when the 'experts' picked the Jags to go 3-13 this year. Now it's looking like they will be right for once.

They still maybe wrong, 1-15 is likely if the Jags cant play any better than what we've witnessed. I'm so disappointed, I really thought this year would be different. The team is so bad in all phases of professional football. Only about 6 Jags players would make it on another NFL team, the rest are pure trash. Going to be very tough this yr. The 95/96 expansion Jags would blow this 2012 team away. Somebody has to find a way to better judge talent for the Jags, its been lacking for over a decade now at least. MJD is the only gem in a sea of fake diamonds. Jags please play better this Sunday!!!!

[duvaldude08]

Are we still going on and on about this? I got over it yesterday. It is what it is. Im ready for Sunday! They just need to execute and theyll be fine. hopefully they can find whatever made them click in week one again really soon. Im still all in!

[copperfiend]

Only about 6 Jags players would make it on another NFL team, the rest are pure trash. Going to be very tough this yr. The 95/96 expansion Jags would blow this 2012 team away.

You're being a bit extreme.

[Keith-N-Jax]

You think! I dont think so, thats a bad collection of players. Anyway DD what ever you are smoking in that teal pipe, please share, J/k.

[civil42806]

Are we still going on and on about this? I got over it yesterday. It is what it is. Im ready for Sunday! They just need to execute and theyll be fine. hopefully they can find whatever made them click in week one again really soon. Im still all in!

do you really believe that if they execute better they will win?  This is a talent deprived team.  we are going to reenter a rebuilding session, hopefully not with, I 'm smarter that everyone else" as GM.    The OL is terrible, the DL is terrible, we have no wide recievers. This has been going on since 2008 truthfully since 2000.  aparently dd you have some fine 420 to share LOL

[civil42806]

Only about 6 Jags players would make it on another NFL team, the rest are pure trash. Going to be very tough this yr. The 95/96 expansion Jags would blow this 2012 team away.

You're being a bit extreme.

actually not really 6 is extreme but I cant imagine over 12 or 14 of the roster making it anywhere else.

[duvaldude08]

Are we still going on and on about this? I got over it yesterday. It is what it is. Im ready for Sunday! They just need to execute and theyll be fine. hopefully they can find whatever made them click in week one again really soon. Im still all in!

do you really believe that if they execute better they will win?  This is a talent deprived team.  we are going to reenter a rebuilding session, hopefully not with, I 'm smarter that everyone else" as GM.    The OL is terrible, the DL is terrible, we have no wide recievers. This has been going on since 2008 truthfully since 2000.  aparently dd you have some fine 420 to share LOL

Well they sure executed in week one thats for sure. So thats shows they can do it. If they can do it consistantly is the question. This is just my opinon, popular or not. Im not gonna get my panties in a bunch over football. So let me be.

Thanks,

Management

[duvaldude08]

Are we still going on and on about this? I got over it yesterday. It is what it is. Im ready for Sunday! They just need to execute and theyll be fine. hopefully they can find whatever made them click in week one again really soon. Im still all in!

do you really believe that if they execute better they will win?  This is a talent deprived team.  we are going to reenter a rebuilding session, hopefully not with, I 'm smarter that everyone else" as GM.    The OL is terrible, the DL is terrible, we have no wide recievers. This has been going on since 2008 truthfully since 2000.  aparently dd you have some fine 420 to share LOL

I am not aruging that they are good or bad players. Your missing the point. They are not excecuting the plays. When they do everything right, they come up with big plays. Theyve done it several times. They are in a new offense than what they played in under 9 years with Del Rio. Whether they are good or bad, is yet to be determined. Thats just the approach Im taking. If we get to the point of being 1-11, then I'll say "yeah these guys suck bad". Unlike some other people,Im giving the a chance. I never thought that everything would magically change. So Im not disappointed at whats happeneing right now. I pretty much expected it.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Too much caffene and too little sleep...Did you really mean to come off as smug and arrogant as you sound with a quote like that?  You are one of the few who understand Parity and Process??  Wow.  So we just sit and watch the Jags go 5-11 and then next year is the year Gene finally completes his process?  Or will it take more time than that?  What is the official timeline for this process since you understand it so much more than anyone this side of Wacca?

Nice - actually it was too many after work beers, but yeah, I intended to some off just as smug and arrogant as it sounded.   

There are other NFL teams who have had success in a shorter period of time.   One example, just look at last week's opponent who found a rookie QB who performed right out of the gate, along with a WR who looks all world and has since his 2nd game.

Sure, we can play the hindsight game all night, but Dalton wasn't picked until the second round. 

I'm not saying that I wanted or expected the Jags to take another Gator DL after the busts, but once again who chose the guys who busted and who chooses guys who succeed (Starks, Pouncey, Pouncey just to name 3 who would have helped the Jags.

Again, man, hindsight.  You wanted us to draft linemen last year to covere our injuries today?  Were you asking why we didn't have more depth at CB and S last year?

I would also hope a complete rebuild wouldn't have to take place, but I do understand the NFL and a good/great GM might not want to be saddled with Mularkey, and some of Smith's choices.  I would hope there is a guy out there who sees this team needs tweaking, along with a solid 2013 draft and FA to get back on track.  Is this the reasoning why you don't want Gene to go, is that you believe a full rebuild would commence if he leaves?  Or do you truly believe Gene can get the players to put this team in the SB?

I think stability is the key.  You mentioned the Saints.... did they all of a sudden get 'less talented' or are they unable to focus on the task at hand.  You have to chalk up last year as a complete bust/wash - lame duck staff, lockout, ownership change.  You have to look at this year as a new team with the same goal in mind, but a different approach.  Just from watching the field, I see that most definitely we are a more advanced team - the motions, the formations, the routes being ran.  I also see an O-Line that's playing like complete shit.  Last week, we came out 4 wide - When have you EVER seen that?  Britton whiffed, Blaine was crushed before he could take his drop and the tone was set.   Shit happens. 

RE:  Gene Smith.  I should have this 'company line' saved in a Word doc so that I could just Copy&Paste - Gene has drafted efficiently for 4 years because he had to, a miss in the first 2-3 rounds would kill the team - hell we might have one in Britton, but I hope it was just a bad game.  He took a swing this year and grabbed a playmaker - that people are already writing off because he's not as good as J. Jones or A. Green - how's Michael Floyd doing this year? 

I think he has the talent to build a championship caliber roster.   I really don't think we're that far away now.  I think it takes time to learn to play together the way the coach plays the game.  Stability is key - and we've been pretty fucking unstable for the past few years.  As DD08 said, ask me again if we're 1-11 and I might have changed my opinion, but as for now, I think we just need more games under our belt before I'm willing to write off anyone.

[duvaldude08]

I was talking to my handy man a few weeks who is from Boston. After our conversation, I completely changed my view on alot of things. He was telling me how for the majority of his life he would go to empty partiots games, in the snow, even when they were losing. And saying that even after craft bought the franchise, they still sucked for quite sometime. Now they are known as a "model franchise." Why in the hell to Jags fan's want everything overnight? These franchises that we talk about went through some shit and went through very dark periods to get where they are. The Partiots attedance was actually much worse than ours, and they were more than rumored to move, they were really about to relocate ( and ironically Jacksonville was a possible location.) Rome was not built in a night. Sure we want everything to turn around in the snap of finger, however is it realistic?

PS i was watching family guy yesterday and he joked about beating Stewie everytime the partiots lost! Even family guy has memories of how bad they were.