The Jacksonville Jaguars

[duvaldude08]

If these are the uniforms, they are SWEET.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sns-nfl-fake-nike-jerseys-pg,0,2167362.photogallery

[I-10east]

IMO some look better than others. Although Yahoo reported that Nike said  that the aren't real so no telling how the actual finished jerseys will look like. The Jags 'proposed' new uni definitely has some potential; I like the secondary logo  helmet the 'the full bodied jaguar' it could be thrown in for a game or two maybe, and the most important thing that I like, bringing back GOLD in the jersey, with the jaguar spotted sides.

[Noone]

One thing Mr. Khan will learn quickly is that you have to be careful what you say.... It will be taken out of context quickly. First the real fan thing, now the Tebow thing. People like to take sound bites from people conversation to stir up drama. He had a full conversation with the daily Record about Tebow and only one sentence is being quoted. He will learn to just stay clear of certain conversations. He even mentioned how people take everything and spin it. Jacksonville Tebow fans are pathetic IMO. We didnt draft him, get the fuck over it. (pardon my french  )

Thoughts?

Heard Khan on First Coast connect yesterday with Melissa Ross and the first thing they were talking about was his yacht. He said that he has had it for 5 years and has never had this much attention before. He is staying on the ship. He heard that Mayor Brown wants people to be Downtown and he is doing his part. Super pats on the back in my book. Looking forward to meeting him and his son Tony.

Will Fred Taylor retire a Jaguar?
I like Tebow and he would be a positive and not a negative for this community.
Pardon my french- Pardon my hood- Duvaldude it sounds like I'm picking on you but I'm not. I was at a public meeting and a word is used and that person is immediately gone.

Its been awhile but I remember listening to Lex and Terry and Sam Kouvaris when doing sports they would do a bit about athletes and the police reports or court documents on divorce, alimony, custody, paternity from athletes whether it was football, baseball, hockey, whatever and the continuous collapse of role models.

Khan in his appearences and talking on the radio is capturing a renewed hope for this community.

I hope its the REAL TEAL.

I'm going for the Giants.

[fieldafm]

. Another solution, which you alluded to in your post, is to find more ways to add on some additional value proposition to Jags tickets.

How much more value than that do you give?  Seriously?  I can combine every non-work thing i do around town, and none of if it has as much value as that.  There is nothing I do(and I do A LOT) in this town that I get more than my money BACK in return. 

This whole price thing is a weak, weak, weak excuse.  The facts clearly paint a much different picture. 

[urbanlibertarian]

I'm one of those freaks who attends the game and then watches my dvr of the game.  I don't care about the atmosphere (although it is cool) or discounts or civic pride, etc.  I'm just fascinated by what happens on the field.  On game day that's where I want to be.

[copperfiend]

IMO some look better than others. Although Yahoo reported that Nike said  that the aren't real so no telling how the actual finished jerseys will look like. The Jags 'proposed' new uni definitely has some potential; I like the secondary logo  helmet the 'the full bodied jaguar' it could be thrown in for a game or two maybe, and the most important thing that I like, bringing back GOLD in the jersey, with the jaguar spotted sides.

From what I have read, the only change for 2012 is the jersey itself (material and such), not the design. Nike has no say in that. That is handled by the team and NFL Properties. Now the Jaguars equipment manager has stated there will be a return of the black jerseys in 2012 and we could see a new look altogether in 2013. My thought is that Khan wants a different feel to the team. Weaver's redesign was very plain and bland. I think Khan wants more flash.

[KenFSU]

. Another solution, which you alluded to in your post, is to find more ways to add on some additional value proposition to Jags tickets.

How much more value than that do you give?  Seriously?  I can combine every non-work thing i do around town, and none of if it has as much value as that.  There is nothing I do(and I do A LOT) in this town that I get more than my money BACK in return. 

This whole price thing is a weak, weak, weak excuse.  The facts clearly paint a much different picture. 

As you've explained, you feel as though the benefit you get out of your season tickets justifies the cost you incurred. That's fantastic. Many others feel the same way, as evident by the healthy crowds that showed up this season on any given Sunday. Still though, there were a lot of empties, and I absolutely factor in the cost, not as an "excuse" but as a partial explanation.

The NFL puts the average Fan Index for a family of four to attend a Jags game at approximately $310.  Let's say you buy the cheapest single game tickets available and don't go overboard on food. We'll call it $200 instead.

Price itself isn't the issue. Relative price is. A family of four with limited entertainment dollars, in choosing to go to a single Jags game, is choosing to forego 5-8 Sunday trips to the movie theater; 10 family picnics at Hugeonot Park; 10 Jacksonville Suns games; 11 pizza parties; 200 Red Box Rentals; 3 Saturdays at Adventure Landing's water park; 7 trips to the Jacksonville Zoo and Garden; two family tours and a dinner in St. Augustine. The same family, with that $200, can watch four Jags games at Sneakers and gorge themselves on food. They can go ice skating 5 times. They can spend four Sundays at Barnes N' Noble, each taking home their favorite book. They can subscribe to HBO for the year, with money left over for popcorn. They can buy a full set of baseball equipment and go to the park. They can throw 4 or 5 BBQs.

Especially with the economy the way it is in Florida these days, the 10,000 to 20,000 swing fans who make the difference between a sellout and a blackout are trying to stretch their entertainment dollars as far as possible.

If a large number choose something other than going to the stadium (not because they aren't true fans, but because the opportunity cost is too steep relative other substitute entertainment options available), then yes, I believe that tickets may be overpriced for the market, or perhaps more accurately, the value of Jaguars tickets is not perceived as being as high as the asking price.

For proof, look no further than the secondary ticket market for Jags game. I would guess that 95% of tickets on sites like Stubhub and Craigslist are sold at or under face value, if they are sold at all.

Not a hater at all, just a realist.

The real problem, at least in my opinion, is that there is just too much damn supply for the market. Even in a great economy with a winning team full of stars, there just might not be 72,000 people willing to go to the stadium every Sunday for a Jags game. It's a small market without much outside support. This forces things like the tarping off of sections of the stadium and free ticket giveaways which yield short run gains but have the unfortunate and devastating side effect of destroying any notion of scarcity for tickets and lowering their perceived value to citizens.

I truly believe the Jags would be BOOMING in a 57,000 seat stadium. Ticket prices would be higher. Demand for those tickets would be higher. And perception, both within the city and nationwide, would be night and day.

There's no way in short term to constrain supply though, which means in the meantime, we need to find a way to increase demand. One way to do that would be to lower the cost of tickets.

[duvaldude08]

One thing Mr. Khan will learn quickly is that you have to be careful what you say.... It will be taken out of context quickly. First the real fan thing, now the Tebow thing. People like to take sound bites from people conversation to stir up drama. He had a full conversation with the daily Record about Tebow and only one sentence is being quoted. He will learn to just stay clear of certain conversations. He even mentioned how people take everything and spin it. Jacksonville Tebow fans are pathetic IMO. We didnt draft him, get the fuck over it. (pardon my french  )

Thoughts?

Heard Khan on First Coast connect yesterday with Melissa Ross and the first thing they were talking about was his yacht. He said that he has had it for 5 years and has never had this much attention before. He is staying on the ship. He heard that Mayor Brown wants people to be Downtown and he is doing his part. Super pats on the back in my book. Looking forward to meeting him and his son Tony.

Will Fred Taylor retire a Jaguar?
I like Tebow and he would be a positive and not a negative for this community.
Pardon my french- Pardon my hood- Duvaldude it sounds like I'm picking on you but I'm not. I was at a public meeting and a word is used and that person is immediately gone.

Its been awhile but I remember listening to Lex and Terry and Sam Kouvaris when doing sports they would do a bit about athletes and the police reports or court documents on divorce, alimony, custody, paternity from athletes whether it was football, baseball, hockey, whatever and the continuous collapse of role models.

Khan in his appearences and talking on the radio is capturing a renewed hope for this community.

I hope its the REAL TEAL.

I'm going for the Giants.

Fred Taylor Retired as a Jag last year no one.

[downtownjag]

IMO some look better than others. Although Yahoo reported that Nike said  that the aren't real so no telling how the actual finished jerseys will look like. The Jags 'proposed' new uni definitely has some potential; I like the secondary logo  helmet the 'the full bodied jaguar' it could be thrown in for a game or two maybe, and the most important thing that I like, bringing back GOLD in the jersey, with the jaguar spotted sides.

From what I have read, the only change for 2012 is the jersey itself (material and such), not the design. Nike has no say in that. That is handled by the team and NFL Properties. Now the Jaguars equipment manager has stated there will be a return of the black jerseys in 2012 and we could see a new look altogether in 2013. My thought is that Khan wants a different feel to the team. Weaver's redesign was very plain and bland. I think Khan wants more flash.

Link??? Not doubting, just like to read it for myself

[Shwaz]

Why is the evaluation of ticket pricing based on a family of 4? This isn't Disney World it's a football game. I've been a season ticket holder for over 5 years and never once did I get denied at the gate for not bringing a wife & kids.

[KenFSU]

Why is the evaluation of ticket pricing based on a family of 4? This isn't Disney World it's a football game. I've been a season ticket holder for over 5 years and never once did I get denied at the gate for not bringing a wife & kids.

The same fundamental logic applies to a single ticket, a married couple, a family of four, etc. But you're right, for whatever reason, a family of 4 is what the NFL index is based off of.

[Wacca Pilatka]

Why is the evaluation of ticket pricing based on a family of 4? This isn't Disney World it's a football game. I've been a season ticket holder for over 5 years and never once did I get denied at the gate for not bringing a wife & kids.

Hide your kids, hide your wife...

[Shwaz]

Why is the evaluation of ticket pricing based on a family of 4? This isn't Disney World it's a football game. I've been a season ticket holder for over 5 years and never once did I get denied at the gate for not bringing a wife & kids.

The same fundamental logic applies to a single ticket, a married couple, a family of four, etc. But you're right, for whatever reason, a family of 4 is what the NFL index is based off of.

Not really. Souvenirs are also factored into the evaluation. Who buys a souvenir at every game? I think the examples from posters here are more of a true index of actual costs.

Bottom line - park for free, eat & drink before the game, avoid the souvenirs, use your coupons & rewards and most fans can watch the greatest game on earth played at the highest level at a totally reasonable cost.

[duvaldude08]

Why is the evaluation of ticket pricing based on a family of 4? This isn't Disney World it's a football game. I've been a season ticket holder for over 5 years and never once did I get denied at the gate for not bringing a wife & kids.

The same fundamental logic applies to a single ticket, a married couple, a family of four, etc. But you're right, for whatever reason, a family of 4 is what the NFL index is based off of.

Not really. Souvenirs are also factored into the evaluation. Who buys a souvenir at every game? I think the examples from posters here are more of a true index of actual costs.

Bottom line - park for free, eat & drink before the game, avoid the souvenirs, use your coupons & rewards and most fans can watch the greatest game on earth played at the highest level at a totally reasonable cost.

So right. Now I do pay $10.00 to park (which is nothing really). I eat and get hydrated before I get there. I have not spent a dime in that stadium since I have been attending games the past 2 years.

[comncense]

^ Tailgating definitely makes attending games cheaper. I enjoy the food me and my group cook way more than what they serve in the stadium anyway. Not to mention the drinks are better at the tailgate...