Murray Hill

[nanasroom]

In the Murray Hill area from Roosevelt Blvd to Beaver Street,  Casset Ave to McDuff Ave.
This square area needs an upgrade through out.  Along Edgewood Ave S from the Railroad tracks to the I-10 Overpass there are between 15-20 empty buildings.  They put this area to shame. What we need is a new look for the area by getting together as a community to bring Murray Hill back to Life Again. Let's get some new businesses in and get people back to work.   I know that Murray Hill has a reputation of drugs, robberies and theft's. 

Let's take back this area back.

[cat_herder]

In the Murray Hill area from Roosevelt Blvd to Beaver Street,  Casset Ave to McDuff Ave.
This square area needs an upgrade through out.  Along Edgewood Ave S from the Railroad tracks to the I-10 Overpass there are between 15-20 empty buildings.  They put this area to shame. What we need is a new look for the area by getting together as a community to bring Murray Hill back to Life Again. Let's get some new businesses in and get people back to work.   I know that Murray Hill has a reputation of drugs, robberies and theft's. 

Let's take back this area back.

A year later and many are still empty. The buildings along Edgewood near Roosevelt rent for too much and have a huge turnover due to it.

[jaxlore]

yeah that area is kind of like the Springfield corridor. Until these landlords start thinking outside of there close minded box it will take years  before we see any real progress there. Other then the Moon River strip things are at a crawl. This post should probably also be in the Riverside\Avondale forum because it includes Murray Hill.

[MEGATRON]

yeah that area is kind of like the Springfield corridor. Until these landlords start thinking outside of there close minded box it will take years  before we see any real progress there. Other then the Moon River strip things are at a crawl. This post should probably also be in the Riverside\Avondale forum because it includes Murray Hill.

What type of outside the box thinking from the landlords would help the situation?

[jaxlore]

@MEGATRON

fresh paint, awnings, some sort of color scheme that was not on clearance at home depot. All you have to do is look at the small strip that is moon river and the few other businesses and replicate. It's clean, looks inviting. That convenience store kills me every time I drive by, bright yellow with a red roof? Not to mention the rents are ridiculous over there. We looked into some of the space a few years back and I was astounded what they were asking for an area with nothing going on. I am no expert on any of this so take what I say with some salt please but Murray Hill should have been whats happening on King Street.

[ONESTOP THRIFTSHOP]

In the Murray Hill area  we are growing with new businesses.   Yes there are alot of vacant buildings but it does take time to fill them.  The names below is just a few of businesses in the area.


1.  The Edge Restaurant     at 1044 Edgewood Ave S, Jacksonville, FL 32205  904-389-4411  GREAT FOOD Family Style Food.
2. One Stop Thrift Shop at 3644 Post Street, Jacksonville, FL 32205  just behind the Dreamette Ice Cream (Thrift store with many items for the home)
3. Faith Jewelers   Edgewood Ave S  Jacksonville, FL 32205 (904) 388-3340 (Great staff and many different pieces of jewelry)

These businesses have not been recognized in the area for there hard work and staying open.

Yes we also have the Murray Hill Library , Murray Hill Theater, A-1 Coins, Tradewinds, The Crazy Egg, Edgewood Bakery, A Laundromat, A Shoe Repair, Clothing consignment shop, J & W Discount and this is just a few places.

So as a business owner at One Stop Thrift Shop 3644 Post Street  we are also helping the community by having a THANKSGIVING BASKET DRAWING on NOVEMBER 17TH, 2012  at 1:00 P.M..   You must be present for the drawing.

[thelakelander]

yeah that area is kind of like the Springfield corridor. Until these landlords start thinking outside of there close minded box it will take years  before we see any real progress there. Other then the Moon River strip things are at a crawl. This post should probably also be in the Riverside\Avondale forum because it includes Murray Hill.

What type of outside the box thinking from the landlords would help the situation?

This was an interesting article.  However, to do something like this as a property owner, money literally needs to be of little concern:

Is Free Rent Enough to Jumpstart a Sleepy Commercial District?
http://www.theatlanticcities.com/neighborhoods/2012/10/free-rent-enough-jumpstart-sleepy-commercial-district/3637/#

[ChriswUfGator]

It doesn't have to be free. These landlords are asking $/sf that could get you comparable space in 5 points, King Street, etc. Who in their right mind is going to do that, when they could go where there are actually people to buy their product? It's the same problem afflicting what's left of Main Street in Springfield. Just charge a reasonable rent is all you'd have to do.

[thelakelander]

Gotcha.  If the rates are reasonable, I agree that Edgewood would fill in with no problem.  It's a decent strip with many viable buildings and close enough to Riverside/Avondale to serve as an alternative for those not wanting to put up with the fights MM and Kickbacks have had to endure.

[Mathew1056]

I do agree that Edgewood has potential and it is lucky to be close to Riverside/Avondale. This corridor is, in the short-term, is limited. Properties should not have the same rent rates as Five Points. There are major differences with the two. Though Murry Hill is compact and walkable, I would argue that the population that lives there does not use the Edgewood corridor, at least not to the same capacity that Riversiders uses Five Points. It may be able to get a following of wealth people in, but if they are traveling from other neighborhoods that seems to defeat the purpose. After living in Murray Hill for a year I found that most of the houses were small, along with the properties. Compared to Springfield and Riverside, Murry Hill has a glass ceiling that is much lower.

[PeeJayEss]

Low rent still brings in more money than no rent, right?

It seems that the character of the strip right around Moon River is much more appealing than that beyond. While there are some bright spots (Crazy Egg, Edgewood Bakery, deli, etc), this other area is much less attractive. How much of that has to do with the setup of the corridor's roadway? You have a block of 2-lane road with 3 lanes of angled parking that is doing well, and then a 4-lane highway the rest of the way. The high rise residential (assisted living?) also creates a big swath of dead space.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

The high rise residential (assisted living?) also creates a big swath of dead wating to die space.

Sorry, couldn't help myself.   

[thelakelander]

Low rent still brings in more money than no rent, right?

It seems that the character of the strip right around Moon River is much more appealing than that beyond. While there are some bright spots (Crazy Egg, Edgewood Bakery, deli, etc), this other area is much less attractive. How much of that has to do with the setup of the corridor's roadway? You have a block of 2-lane road with 3 lanes of angled parking that is doing well, and then a 4-lane highway the rest of the way. The high rise residential (assisted living?) also creates a big swath of dead space.

Edgewood is the ideal street for a road diet.  It happens to be that wide because the original developers intended for a streetcar line to run down a median, similar to the old line on Main Street or New Orleans' St. Charles Avenue.  With that said, a streetscape is the current major visual difference between the First Block and the rest of the strip.  However, it would still give off a different vibe if more buildings were occupied.

[chipwich]

Murray Hill indeed doesn't share the wealth that Riverside/ Avondale enjoys.  However, Murray Hill has the advantage of exceedingly well priced homes (most of which are not in shambles) that can be easily renovated for the needs to younger families.  The smaller homes/lots make the area quite dense and able to support the trade area if need be.  It is true that there are rougher, poorer areas in Murray Hill, but I still think the area can hold its own and attract new residents with decent speding ability.

[ONESTOP THRIFTSHOP]

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The high rise residential (assisted living?) also creates a big swath of dead wating to die space.

For this statement made it does not  create a place for the people to live and waiting to die.  You do not know these people.  They have to have a place to live too.   If that is the case then everyone in the world that lives in a place is waiting to die.    Think about even you are in a place to wait to die.




Due to the people that lives in these places does get out to shop or eat at the places on Edgewood Ave S and on Post Street  past the Moon River area.  These people does need a place to live and be able to afford to live.  They also have different activities for the people in these places to attend.  So it is not a BIG SWATH OF DEAD SPACE. 

  I know this for a fact. I am a business owner and I see alot of these people at my store ONE STOP THRIFT SHOP at 3644 Post Street   and I see them going to the different businesses on Edgewood Ave S  and Post Street.
For instance:  The Edge Restaurant , Dreamette Ice Cream, J & W Discount, The Edgewood Bakery, The Crazy Egg, Angeloff's Furniture Store and The Murray Hill Library and as well to the Theater.

I also have people from the Riverside and 5 Points area come shopping in my store as well going to the different businesses along Edgewood Ave S and Post Street.  Just yesterday there were several couples from the Riverside and 5 Points area shopping in my store for different items that they could afford better than in the area they live in. 

Also my store also offer assistance in finding items that they are looking for by making phone calls to different stores to see if they have the item(s) and the price of the item(s).

Unless you have been in the area lately to see what is happening, then I challenge you to come by to see what is happening in the area.  Come on by my store and talk to me more about the area. 

I used to live in the Murray Hill area 25 years ago and then moved due to job transfer.  I now have a business in the area and have gotten to know the people in there area as well as the businesses in the area.  There are also several new businesses coming in the area within the next 6 months.  This area also has new people moving in to the vacant homes and apartments.  I know this due to they are shopping at my store.