Do Conservatives know that America ranks 23rd in the World for Infrastructure?

[FayeforCure]

There is truth in some of what you type.

Also falsehood. "Fear that capitalism is under attack" is fair enough.

It has to do with wall street bankers being government and government being wall street bakers.

Capitalism is indeed under attack: from the inside.

A currently presiding Democrat President is complicit.

Wow, so true, and I agree completely. I cannot believe this.


BTW, the rich have dropped the ball on shared sacrifice since 1980 when the top tax rate was 70% on anything earned over $215,000.

Now the tax rate is about 38% on anything over about $300,000.

If anything after all kinds of deductions and other loopholes for the rich, they are paying far less in taxes per household than their equals in 1980.

And the ultra rich are also taxed at that really low marginal top rate.

http://www.truthandpolitics.org/top-rates.php

[BridgeTroll]

Here is my ONLY area of common ground with you Faye... on this topic.

If anything after all kinds of deductions and other loopholes for the rich, they are paying far less in taxes per household than their equals in 1980.

Tax reform should be a top priority of BOTH parties.  If they were to concentrate in this area... leaving rates alone... you would find support.

[buckethead]

Republicans and Democrats alike know that to reform the tax code meaningfully will decrease their power and advantage.

We will need to look outside the "two party system" if we want to see real tax reform.

Uber conservatives and Uber liberals agree on the need for tax reform, but disagree on what those reforms should be.

Congress is highly unlikely to diminish it's power to grant itself and it's allies tax advantages.

But whoopsie... I have derailed another perfectly fun conservative bashing thread.


FWIW: Mass Transit is CONSERVATIVE!

[JeffreyS]

Here is my ONLY area of common ground with you Faye... on this topic.

If anything after all kinds of deductions and other loopholes for the rich, they are paying far less in taxes per household than their equals in 1980.

Tax reform should be a top priority of BOTH parties.  If they were to concentrate in this area... leaving rates alone... you would find support.

I can get on board with that BT.

[BridgeTroll]

Im not unreasonable...

[FayeforCure]

Republicans and Democrats alike know that to reform the tax code meaningfully will decrease their power and advantage.

We will need to look outside the "two party system" if we want to see real tax reform.

Uber conservatives and Uber liberals agree on the need for tax reform, but disagree on what those reforms should be.

Congress is highly unlikely to diminish it's power to grant itself and it's allies tax advantages.

But whoopsie... I have derailed another perfectly fun conservative bashing thread.


FWIW: Mass Transit is CONSERVATIVE!

To bring back this thread on topic: A Florida DEMOCRATIC Governor ( and a female at that too) would have provide the ultimate in mass transit: Full Blown HSR!!!!

Yay to Democrats for NEVER wavering on the need for mass transit!!!

Booo to Republicans who want to keep cutting taxes and shrink government so that it'll never be able to do any more large public works!!!!!

[pwhitford]

Republicans and Democrats alike know that to reform the tax code meaningfully will decrease their power and advantage.

We will need to look outside the "two party system" if we want to see real tax reform.

Uber conservatives and Uber liberals agree on the need for tax reform, but disagree on what those reforms should be.

Congress is highly unlikely to diminish it's power to grant itself and it's allies tax advantages.

But whoopsie... I have derailed another perfectly fun conservative bashing thread.


FWIW: Mass Transit is CONSERVATIVE!

OMG, I am so on board with this (except the last line, which I am not convinced of), and I am thought by many to be so thoroughly liberal it would make your head spin.  It certainly does mine.  Budding mancrush triangle?

[BridgeTroll]

Budding mancrush triangle?

Please stop...

[buckethead]

How does a Ron Paul/Bernie Sanders presidential bid sound?

[Garden guy]

From what I am reading here, all we need to do is vote straight Democrat and we eliminate all the liars, cheats, and budget busters from our government.

We would also eliminate a war on the poor too!  Awesome!

In fairness, gator.  Only Faye and GardenGuy are making this partisan claim.  I don't think anyone else is.

We dealt with it for years when it was Riversidegator and CharlestonDave making the same claims from the opposite point of view.  There are always a couple in the room.

Glad to be of assistance....

[Ocklawaha]

I like the OP blaming the "Conservatives" for the failure of our school system.  For the most part it is a failure of parents being involved.  Rarely is there an instance where a parent is involved that they can not receive the help they need for their children.  

We have failing schools because the kids don't show up, or aren't prepared, or just don't care.  I damn sure wanted to skip as much school as I could, but I had parents following up on me not giving up no matter how hard I tried to flunk out.  After high school I finally figured it out, paid my way through FCCJ and then UNF.

I'm not one to label entire groups as this or that, but one thing is CERTAIN, Rick Scott if allowed to run wild, is going to wreck whatever is left of Florida's educational system... 4 day school weeks with 10 hour days is going to send a huge portion of our working families to the poor house. The only alternative to a full day of childcare is no care at all, or employers cutting to a 4 day week. Not likely to happen.

Let's roll up the State Parks, many of which are historic sites and thus educational through experiential learning.

The latest is the new idea that will knock out financial aid to any student below a 3.5 GPA. Don't deserve it you say? What about the learning disabled? The AD/HD? The autistic? Dyslexic? ...MAYBE THEY JUST DON'T TRY HARD ENOUGH!

It's becoming more apparent by the day that Scott's version of utopia is a divided elitist society of the few, the privileged and the affluent, and a subservient and criminal class who will only gain the support of their home state behind bars.

OCKLAWAHA

[Gators312]

I'm not one to label entire groups as this or that, but one thing is CERTAIN, Rick Scott if allowed to run wild, is going to wreck whatever is left of Florida's educational system... 4 day school weeks with 10 hour days is going to send a huge portion of our working families to the poor house. The only alternative to a full day of childcare is no care at all, or employers cutting to a 4 day week. Not likely to happen.

Let's roll up the State Parks, many of which are historic sites and thus educational through experiential learning.

The latest is the new idea that will knock out financial aid to any student below a 3.5 GPA. Don't deserve it you say? What about the learning disabled? The AD/HD? The autistic? Dyslexic? ...MAYBE THEY JUST DON'T TRY HARD ENOUGH!

It's becoming more apparent by the day that Scott's version of utopia is a divided elitist society of the few, the privileged and the affluent, and a subservient and criminal class who will only gain the support of their home state behind bars.

OCKLAWAHA

My point has nothing to do with Scott's decisions on the upcoming Budget or the choices to cut funding in the past which pretty much has eliminated trips to the historic places throughout Florida, the arts and physical education from our schools.  It's pretty easy to surmise that the less money you put into the system, the less you will get out.

I was to point out that funding isn't our only issue in schools today, that a lack of support for students at home and from their neighbors exists(you know, Takes a village...), which contributes to the attitudes that our politicians have regarding education.   As long as we continue to have dropout rates around 41% it doesn't matter how much money we throw at the schools if kids aren't showing up. 

There is a large segment of our local population that doesn't find education important, and this failure to foster a positive learning environment and instill the need for knowledge in our youth today is what is dragging our country down.

[Ocklawaha]

No confusion over what you were saying Gator, merely an independent observation that actually you alluded to in your response, IE: The lack of home support. Imagine what Scott's 4 day school week is going to do for those thousands of students who sit at home ALONE from 9-5 daily... Better bar the door boys and girls.

OCKLAWAHA

[urbaknight]

Where the hell were these 4 day school weeks when I was young? I certainly could have used one less day of harassment from my peers! I say hell no! If I had to suffer, they should have to suffer too. Give them even more school, much much much more school!

[FayeforCure]

I'm not one to label entire groups as this or that, but one thing is CERTAIN, Rick Scott if allowed to run wild, is going to wreck whatever is left of Florida's educational system... 4 day school weeks with 10 hour days is going to send a huge portion of our working families to the poor house. The only alternative to a full day of childcare is no care at all, or employers cutting to a 4 day week. Not likely to happen.

Let's roll up the State Parks, many of which are historic sites and thus educational through experiential learning.

The latest is the new idea that will knock out financial aid to any student below a 3.5 GPA. Don't deserve it you say? What about the learning disabled? The AD/HD? The autistic? Dyslexic? ...MAYBE THEY JUST DON'T TRY HARD ENOUGH!

It's becoming more apparent by the day that Scott's version of utopia is a divided elitist society of the few, the privileged and the affluent, and a subservient and criminal class who will only gain the support of their home state behind bars.

OCKLAWAHA

Beautiful piece!! Please send it in as an Op/Ed to the Florida Times Union.

It is an excellent eye-opener!!