Do Conservatives know that America ranks 23rd in the World for Infrastructure?

[FayeforCure]

Not to mention the complete disregard and lack of understanding of her host country as a whole. Since only immigrants like her are doing anything in America today, while all the natives sit around on their lazy dumb %$&*, I guess we should be grateful.  It is a little sad, as this is a really good topic for conversation, our infrastructure is getting old, but the title and first couple of posts completely turned me off. BTW I am neither Republican or Democrat, but ideologues just make me tune out.

Well, uptowngirl, I have found those that say they are neither Republican or Democrat.........or like someone on these boards who claims they are politically agnostic, will vote Republican (almost) every time.

Ock was a welcome exception when he made it clear he had not voted for King Scott.

People usually say they are "independent" because it immunizes them from the malfeasance of local Republican leaders.

[FayeforCure]

.......wow......just......wow......

yep

No doubt.  Listening to Faye... either no democrats have ever been elected to any local, state, or federal government post higher than dog catcher... or... they inexplicably have done nothing while in office... OR... they are as complicit as the republicans in Faye's perceived world.

People who are not ideologues understand that it is option three that is the most true... and Faye's red-faced desk pounding and finger pointing does nothing.

BT, there is that false equivalency again...........the notion that both parties are at fault, so I might as well continue voting Republican!!

Again, who are the Governors that turned down HSR monies for ideological reasons? Where they Democrat or Republican?

And lets see:

Except for earmarked projects they can put their names on, most Republicans (and some Democrats) view public investment in anything that doesn't have a military purpose as anathema, un-American. In fact, without government subsidies and innovation funded by public monies, the U.S. economy would never have been as successful as it was.

But most of all:

how do public investment in infrastructure fit the Republican mantra of "ever lower taxes and less government"?

After all Scott killed HSR in Florida because he claimed "taxpayers would be on the hook"

[BridgeTroll]

.......wow......just......wow......

yep

No doubt.  Listening to Faye... either no democrats have ever been elected to any local, state, or federal government post higher than dog catcher... or... they inexplicably have done nothing while in office... OR... they are as complicit as the republicans in Faye's perceived world.

People who are not ideologues understand that it is option three that is the most true... and Faye's red-faced desk pounding and finger pointing does nothing.

BT, there is that false equivalency again...........the notion that both parties are at fault, so I might as well continue voting Republican!!

Again, who are the Governors that turned down HSR monies for ideological reasons? Where they Democrat or Republican?

And lets see:

Except for earmarked projects they can put their names on, most Republicans (and some Democrats) view public investment in anything that doesn't have a military purpose as anathema, un-American. In fact, without government subsidies and innovation funded by public monies, the U.S. economy would never have been as successful as it was.

But most of all:

how do public investment in infrastructure fit the Republican mantra of "ever lower taxes and less government"?

After all Scott killed HSR in Florida because he claimed "taxpayers would be on the hook"

There is no "false equivalency".

[uptowngirl]

Not to mention the complete disregard and lack of understanding of her host country as a whole. Since only immigrants like her are doing anything in America today, while all the natives sit around on their lazy dumb %$&*, I guess we should be grateful.  It is a little sad, as this is a really good topic for conversation, our infrastructure is getting old, but the title and first couple of posts completely turned me off. BTW I am neither Republican or Democrat, but ideologues just make me tune out.

Well, uptowngirl, I have found those that say they are neither Republican or Democrat.........or like someone on these boards who claims they are politically agnostic, will vote Republican (almost) every time.

Ock was a welcome exception when he made it clear he had not voted for King Scott.

People usually say they are "independent" because it immunizes them from the malfeasance of local Republican leaders.

Wrong again. I did not vote for Scott, I did vote Democrat. I also am voting split on the elections coming up. I have campaigned for both democrat and republican candidates. Perhaps I am an exception to the rule, but I go by the views of the individual not what party they happen to be affiliated with. I also happen to be a true native American, and a member of the Cherokee Nation- so I must be a REAL slacker.

[NotNow]

I have found that those that use a lot of name calling usually do so because they don't have a logical argument.

[FayeforCure]

I have found that those that use a lot of name calling usually do so because they don't have a logical argument.

Yeah your response of

.......wow......just......wow......

Is super filled with logic, just like King Scott's stock response

tax-payers will be on the hook

was super-filled with logic, nevermind that it was a complete and utter lie, that set back Florida to the perpetual dark ages that the south is accustomed to.

[FayeforCure]

Wrong again. I did not vote for Scott, I did vote Democrat. I also am voting split on the elections coming up. I have campaigned for both democrat and republican candidates. Perhaps I am an exception to the rule, but I go by the views of the individual not what party they happen to be affiliated with. I also happen to be a true native American, and a member of the Cherokee Nation- so I must be a REAL slacker.

So what distinguished the views of Scott vs Sink in your opinion?

I don't live in Duval, so I haven't been too involved in upcoming elections. Are there any viable Democrats or are there ONLY Republicans running as usual?

Good to hear you are involved as a member of the Cherokee nation. Not sure why you would refer to "slackers"

Just because America keeps thinking it's number 1, and (new) immigrants keep pointing out America is slipping?

[NotNow]

Faye,  my statement of "wow" was in reference to your quotes and your apparent view that the Federal government should be spending trillions more than it already is, and that we should be taxed at a much higher rate than we are.  I am a little shocked when I read (often on this board) the statements of some that, to me at least, seem to contradict the form of government and the free and independent society that our country is (or at least was).  My beliefs are more strictly in line with the Constitution as written.  I believe in less Federal power and more control by the states.   The constant "teabagger", "King Scott" stuff just turns me off.  You are entitled to your opinion, I just have had enough of the vileness that permeats this site sometimes (I freely admit that I have succumbed to it myself, and I apologize).  I mean no disrespect, I would just like the factual information in the debate, that's all.

[JeffreyS]

NN we all fall into it sometimes and some all the time.

[tufsu1]

I don't live in Duval, so I haven't been too involved in upcoming elections. Are there any viable Democrats or are there ONLY Republicans running as usual?

for Mayor, not really

Alvin Brown isn't bad but he can't win in the runoff....the best viable option for progressive voters is Audrey Moran...she draws significant support from Dems

[uptowngirl]

Agree Tufsu, but there are some great people running for council seats that just happen to be democrats (similar to Audrey just happening to be a Republican). Voting straight party line just shows a lack of depth and intelligence. One reason why I get so frustrated when a good topic of discussion is brought up, but lost in all the Evil republican/Socialist Democrat name calling :-(

[Garden guy]

Agree Tufsu, but there are some great people running for council seats that just happen to be democrats (similar to Audrey just happening to be a Republican). Voting straight party line just shows a lack of depth and intelligence. One reason why I get so frustrated when a good topic of discussion is brought up, but lost in all the Evil republican/Socialist Democrat name calling :-(

You are right but i have never found a republican i could vote for and i don't see one showing up anytime soon....i find democrats are about "WE" and republicans are all about "I"...that's just me though.

[FayeforCure]

Agree Tufsu, but there are some great people running for council seats that just happen to be democrats (similar to Audrey just happening to be a Republican). Voting straight party line just shows a lack of depth and intelligence. One reason why I get so frustrated when a good topic of discussion is brought up, but lost in all the Evil republican/Socialist Democrat name calling :-(

Then you must be as disturbed as I am, that the vast majority of the winners most likely are going to be Republican.

What is the current ratio of Republican vs Democrat on the Council?

The Florida legislature has been about 70-30% Republican for the past decade, with most Republicans and Independents voting hard-core Republican.

[FayeforCure]

Faye,  my statement of "wow" was in reference to your quotes and your apparent view that the Federal government should be spending trillions more than it already is, and that we should be taxed at a much higher rate than we are.  I am a little shocked when I read (often on this board) the statements of some that, to me at least, seem to contradict the form of government and the free and independent society that our country is (or at least was).  My beliefs are more strictly in line with the Constitution as written.  I believe in less Federal power and more control by the states.   The constant "teabagger", "King Scott" stuff just turns me off.  You are entitled to your opinion, I just have had enough of the vileness that permeats this site sometimes (I freely admit that I have succumbed to it myself, and I apologize).  I mean no disrespect, I would just like the factual information in the debate, that's all.

No I do not think that "we" should be taxed at a much higher rate. In fact I resent that the middle class tax burden has increased dramatically. But mostly I resent the fact that the tax burden is so much higher on the middle class than the ultra-rich. Why would we perpetually coddle the ultra-rich when we talk about "shared sacrifice"

Where is the shared sacrifice of the ultra-rich?

Every U.S. taxpayer contributes about $600 a year to pay for the tax cuts that give $34,000 a year to each of the wealthiest 1% of Americans.

There has been a redistribution of the wealth upward, and the middle class has willingly let themselves be fleeced.

[Clem1029]

Where is the shared sacrifice of the ultra-rich?

Possibly here: