Who Loves JEA?

[BridgeTroll]

Anyone been to this site?

http://www.publicpower.com/flutilities.shtml

Regulation
Municipal utilities are governed either by a local city commission or by an elected or appointed utility authority. Municipal utilities are subject to all the state's laws regarding public bodies, including open meetings law, open records laws, public bidding laws. No other utility invites as much public input or operates in such an open, democratic manner. Open, accessible, governance is one reason municipals are also known as "public power" utilities.The following utilities are governed as a utility authority by an appointed board:
•KUA - Kissimmee Utility Authority
•New Smyrna Beach Utilities Commission
•JEA
•OUC - Orlando Utilities Commission
•Keys Energy
Competitive Costs
Municipal utilities have, on average, some of the lowest rates in the state. Click Here for Rate Comparison.
http://www.publicpower.com/electricrates.shtml

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Well crapfire, Redneck.  That would sure beat taking a little responsibility for the management of the Utility that we own wouldnt it?

Hey, at the Double V (Volunteer Victims) Picnic and Parade, make sure that the BBQ sauce is the good mustardy kind!  It will help you get over the taste of those clean picked bones.

Well crapfire, SD.  So what JEA management responsibilitie have you taken on?  Or do you just enjoy hiding behind your keyboard and claiming injustice and malfeasance by all corporations.  Because, genius, you own as much stake in this fiasco as I do, yet I play along and you keep crying wolf.  While your comebacks heartfelt opinions bullshit drivel seems to infer that you actually do or know something more than you do, it's still just drivel.  Because you're even more-so to blame for the problems we share becasue you've taken the first step and admitted there's actually one to begin with while I continue to get drunk off the kool-aid.

[uptowngirl]

I am not against reasonable deposits, I think the guesstimate bills we get are not valid for estimating two months usage for a deposit.  I beleive paying for a full tank of gas each time I go to BP regardless of what I already have in my tank is BS and no one would stand for that.

Cutting peoples power for not paying a deposit is not charging for what the actually use, but I guess since JEA charges whatever the flip they want no matter what you actually use and that is OK with ya'll.....

[BridgeTroll]

Not sure if this is what happened to you but many utilities are going there...

Google this... levelized/average billing

[uptowngirl]

Don't really care, you should not be charged for what you are not using...who will start doing this next?

[BridgeTroll]

Google...

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Redneck.  Considering that many of us still have the old mechanical meters, which simply gauge the amount of kilowatt hours used, how exactly do you propose that the JEA knows whether or not you were using power at 'peak' or 'offpeak' times.  How exactly do you get charged the cheaper rate?

Here's your answer bright guy that knows OHhhhhh so much - Unless you make a formal request and apply for RTOD (Residential Time of Day for all of us not names Stephen Dare), you're not being charged a variable rate.  As of June 2010, the standard rate is:

Rate $5.50 Customer Charge, plus
Per Month 6.334 cent per kWh
plus applicable Fuel, Environmental, and Conservation Charges
Fuel Charge As stated in the Fuel and Purchased Power Cost Recovery Charge Policy
(Sheet No. 5.0)
Environmental
Charge As stated in the Environmental charge (Sheet No. 5.1)

but if you think that the TOD Metering is the way to go, then your fee schedule is as follows:

Rate $14.30 Customer Charge, plus
Per Month 12.136 cent per kWh during On-Peak hours
3.716 cent per kWh during Off-Peak hours
plus applicable Fuel, Environmental, and Conservation Charges
Definition of
Billing Periods On-peak periods shall be defined as follows:
6 a.m.-10 a.m. - November through March, weekdays only
6 p.m.-10 p.m. - November through March, weekdays only
12 Noon-9 p.m. - April through October; weekdays only
All other periods shall be defined as Off-Peak, including weekends, New
Year's Day, Memorial Day, July 4th, Labor Day, Thanksgiving Day and
Christmas Day.
Fuel Charge As stated in the Fuel and Purchased Power Cost Recovery Charge Policy
(Sheet No. 5.0)
Environmental
Charge As stated in the Environmental Charge (Sheet No. 5.1)

Both services charge an additionsl $.01 per kwh for every hour above 2750 in the form of a conservation charge.

These are facts that you can check yourself, but I'm sure with your paranoia, you probably find it really difficult in doing actual research, you might prove yourself wrong and think that THEY actually got you.

So tell us again Mr. Manswers, "How do all of the Utility companies in America operate in basically the same way and you're one of the few that thinks that their modis operadi is somehow illegal, immoral or a combination of the two?  How much do you add to your bill every month to help those less fortunate than you?  What do you actually do to fix the issues that you see in YOUR company? 

BTW, I don't expect an answer on this because any response you make won't further your cause.

On a side note, my answers are, 1.)  I don't care, this is how business is done, 2.)Zero, they can take care of themselves, 3.)Nothing, because I don't see a problem.  Oh yeah, I don't say one thing here and do another either.  Do you?

[ronchamblin]

Looks like my estimates were high on JEA customers and deposits.  I have since looked at the JEA site and found on page 56 of the 2009 Annual Report that the total deposits on hand from customers at the end of 2009 was $281,189,000.  This is up from  $65,183,000 at the end of 2008.  The year 2007 ended with deposits of $240,567,000.  I hope I’ve interpreted the tables correctly.  I over estimated the number of customers in my earlier blog --I had estimated the deposits to be around $600,000,000 or so.  Sorry about my wild estimates.   

I don’t mind paying for the JEA service as long as I believe the JEA system is reasonably efficient in all respects, and is not engaging in obscene bonuses and corrupt payouts to vendors and contractors.  The online Annual Reports are humongous and difficult for me.  I hope the JEA monster is audited occasionally by a responsible entity with ability and integrity. 


Give a man a fish, and you can feed him for a day.  Give him a religion, and he will starve to death while he prays for a fish. 

[ChriswUfGator]

So $300,000,000 in excess cash for a local utility just in deposits isn't excessive? Lol....

[ChriswUfGator]

Redneck.  Considering that many of us still have the old mechanical meters, which simply gauge the amount of kilowatt hours used, how exactly do you propose that the JEA knows whether or not you were using power at 'peak' or 'offpeak' times.  How exactly do you get charged the cheaper rate?

Here's your answer bright guy that knows OHhhhhh so much - Unless you make a formal request and apply for RTOD (Residential Time of Day for all of us not names Stephen Dare), you're not being charged a variable rate.  As of June 2010, the standard rate is:

Rate $5.50 Customer Charge, plus
Per Month 6.334 cent per kWh
plus applicable Fuel, Environmental, and Conservation Charges
Fuel Charge As stated in the Fuel and Purchased Power Cost Recovery Charge Policy
(Sheet No. 5.0)
Environmental
Charge As stated in the Environmental charge (Sheet No. 5.1)

but if you think that the TOD Metering is the way to go, then your fee schedule is as follows:

Rate $14.30 Customer Charge, plus
Per Month 12.136 cent per kWh during On-Peak hours
3.716 cent per kWh during Off-Peak hours
plus applicable Fuel, Environmental, and Conservation Charges
Definition of
Billing Periods On-peak periods shall be defined as follows:
6 a.m.-10 a.m. - November through March, weekdays only
6 p.m.-10 p.m. - November through March, weekdays only
12 Noon-9 p.m. - April through October; weekdays only
All other periods shall be defined as Off-Peak, including weekends, New
Year's Day, Memorial Day, July 4th, Labor Day, Thanksgiving Day and
Christmas Day.
Fuel Charge As stated in the Fuel and Purchased Power Cost Recovery Charge Policy
(Sheet No. 5.0)
Environmental
Charge As stated in the Environmental Charge (Sheet No. 5.1)

Both services charge an additionsl $.01 per kwh for every hour above 2750 in the form of a conservation charge.

These are facts that you can check yourself, but I'm sure with your paranoia, you probably find it really difficult in doing actual research, you might prove yourself wrong and think that THEY actually got you.

So tell us again Mr. Manswers, "How do all of the Utility companies in America operate in basically the same way and you're one of the few that thinks that their modis operadi is somehow illegal, immoral or a combination of the two?  How much do you add to your bill every month to help those less fortunate than you?  What do you actually do to fix the issues that you see in YOUR company? 

BTW, I don't expect an answer on this because any response you make won't further your cause.

On a side note, my answers are, 1.)  I don't care, this is how business is done, 2.)Zero, they can take care of themselves, 3.)Nothing, because I don't see a problem.  Oh yeah, I don't say one thing here and do another either.  Do you?

Westsider, just because you don't elect to have a special meter installed doesn't mean they don't calculate out your peak and off-peak usage based on a computer algorithm. Actually for most of us the entire bill is generated by an algorithm that estimates usage, they have laid most of the meter readers off.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

so, by your own explanation, the JEA advertises that it charges near the least expensive rate in the market, except that the only people who get charged that rate are people who take the time to apply for it and have special meters installed?

And it took you all day to find an answer that blows your entire argument right out of the water, except that you are too tipsy, stu, lacking in irony to realize this?

Awesome.

Whatever Steven.

You pay a higher monthly service fee and a higher rate during the peak hours.  You can borrow my Mattel calculator to do the math.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Westsider, just because you don't elect to have a special meter installed doesn't mean they don't calculate out your peak and off-peak usage based on a computer algorithm. Actually for most of us the entire bill is generated by an algorithm that estimates usage, they have laid most of the meter readers off.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying show me.  That goldmine of PDFs that BT gave us has pretty much everything you need to research JEA.  There are several different formulas for figuring taxes, energy spikes (for x-rays, welders, etc.) and others, but I didn't come across any general usage formula.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

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Actually, I wouldnt dream of depriving you of the opportunity to practice arithmetic.  Not in light of your underwhelming mastery of it.

More drivel.  Stick with fiction, your mastery of the english language paints pictures, but you big words and colorful metaphors can't hide your bullshit on this subject.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

But one doesnt need either 'big words' or 'colorful metaphors' to speak eloquently on the subject of your dismal math skills.  One just needs a 'quote' button.

You'll have to refresh my memory as to which 'dismal math skills' you're referencing.   It's all in a PBR haze at the moment, wait, I can't see a thing, you're brilliance is blinding........

I have a better idea!  Instead of requoting my math that proves Chris' electric bill is lower here than if he lived in Orlando, why don't you requote something fact based about your theory that JEA is doing nothing but scamming everyone and has been for years and is planning to do for years to come.  That's what I'd like to see.  Bring out the 'Hearsay Diaries'

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Except that Chris printed his actual bill, which proved that it was um...higher.

Than what?  The base number that JEA starts with - 6.334 - you mean this...

Ok, Tufsu, so since you've posted something that blows your own point out of the water (as usual) let's do the math, shall we? The incorrect rate comparison you posted shows that 1000kWh with JEA would cost $66.30, for an effective rate of $0.0663 p/kWh. Except that's not what JEA charges, is it?

They tell you that.  It's a base number. You seem to be a smart guy, but your failure to acknowledge facts astounds me.  You'd rather retort with 'Go Dawgs' and other such bullshit than just stand down.  Here, I don't want you to actually have to do anything:

Rate $5.50 Customer Charge, plus
Per Month 6.334 cent per kWh
plus applicable Fuel, Environmental, and Conservation Charges
Fuel Charge As stated in the Fuel and Purchased Power Cost Recovery Charge Policy
(Sheet No. 5.0)
Environmental
Charge As stated in the Environmental charge (Sheet No. 5.1)

So genius, the big bad corp has everything available for you to see, being that it's a public company and all, you just choose to spit bullshit rather than face the facts.  I can keep this up all night, the numbers don't lie.  I do need your help with something, Steven, what is an eloquent way of saying, "Scoreboard?" 

Oh wait, nevermind, I think that works just fine.